New Mercedes Benz C-class

[!SG]

cla 45 amg.

Originally Posted by fivetwo

I wonder what the improvements are on the c63 I might get rid of my 2012 c63 for something more fuel efficient
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[!SG]

actually, most manufactuers are going the same route in seperating the screen from the rest of the "radio" in an effort to keep your head up while driving.

Originally Posted by Manic!

Most cars were single or double din so it was easy to replace when it stopped working. this follows no standard and will be a major pain in the you no what to replace.

[Rainei]

Originally Posted by BoostedBB6

Well if you are buying a C class because you cant afford an S class then perhaps priorities are not in the right place.

The way I see it is this C class is like a knock off of an S class and it just makes it a less desirable car IMO. I've always been a fan of the C'class but this one not so much. Perhaps more so in person, but from what I see they just shrunk down an S and used cheaper bits.

I hope AMG can breath some more life into it...they have yet to disappoint.

I'm not sure if you're serious... but I thought I'd let you know MSRP based on the website is 60k more for the S class, not including options and extra taxes and stupid fees. Perhaps people's priorities include not wanting to spending a year or more in salary to get a much more expensive car just cause the one in their price range looks a bit like another one.

By that reasoning, anybody who wants a slightly more upscale moving box on wheels should spend 5-10 years salary on a Rolls Royce Phantom or Bentley, just cause these cars look like the S class and BMW 7 series, and these look like E class and 5series, and these look like C class and 3series.

You surely can't be serious.

[Mr.Stubbz]

^ surely YOU cant be serious. generally the people who can afford and buy those cars make WAY more than said msrp of base bare-bones s class a year. that being said, as i am sure that they can afford rollers or bentlys (bentlies? lol) they might not want to considering the shit roads we have here and the even shittier drivers, and im pretty damn sure that it cost a HELL of a lot more to fix a roller than it does a S class.

that being said, they maintain their wealth by using their money with some wisdom and instead of paying 4 times more than they need to, they just buy a S class or 7 series or a8 because it is enough car for them and the rear seats are made well enough for them to be chauffeured in all day

and looks alone don't contribute to social status, im sure that no semi informed car person that sees a s63 or s65 goes "what a casual, shoulda saved up x number of years for a rolls royce ghost"

By your reasoning a ferrari california is the same as a f12 belinetta since they're both front engined GT ferraris and they look similar to the misinformed eye (and yes, that is a valid statement, my mom once saw a red toyota celica and thought it was a ferrari )

[J____]

amg version apparently 4Liter twin turbo V8 :O

[BoostedBB6]

Originally Posted by Rainei

I'm not sure if you're serious... but I thought I'd let you know MSRP based on the website is 60k more for the S class, not including options and extra taxes and stupid fees. Perhaps people's priorities include not wanting to spending a year or more in salary to get a much more expensive car just cause the one in their price range looks a bit like another one.

By that reasoning, anybody who wants a slightly more upscale moving box on wheels should spend 5-10 years salary on a Rolls Royce Phantom or Bentley, just cause these cars look like the S class and BMW 7 series, and these look like E class and 5series, and these look like C class and 3series.

You surely can't be serious.

The people who generally buy a high end car like a Mercedes, BMW, Porsche etc can afford them.

What I'm saying is if you can not afford the car that you want, getting the knock off will not do you any good. You just pay more money than you should for something that is not what you wanted.

Your reasoning is a little odd....perhaps you should go into politics?

[fivetwo]

Originally Posted by !SG

cla 45 amg.

I need something that can fit my parents comfortably and I heard there is a waiting list for the cla which I don't really want to wait

[Rainei]

Originally Posted by Mr.Stubbz

By your reasoning a ferrari california is the same as a f12 belinetta since they're both front engined GT ferraris and they look similar to the misinformed eye (and yes, that is a valid statement, my mom once saw a red toyota celica and thought it was a ferrari )

I have two points to make. Regarding the Front engined GT cars, my logic is that there is a place for the lower price models, as there are vastly more people that are not as rich and therefore can only afford a lower priced model. It was Boosted's statement that "if I wanted an S, I would get an S" that sparked that logic train. So according to him rather than me, nobody would get a Ferarri FF or california, but instead would get the F12 because they are both FR GT cars, because they "looked alike" (akin to the C-class looking like the S-class).

Secondly, I believe Boosted vastly overestimates the spending power of the average car buyer. For example, the two most sold cars in the States, the Camry and Accord both have an MSRP of 24k in Canada. These models sell 300k-400k units a year in the States according to this link.
November 2013 U.S. Passenger Car Sales Rankings - Top 156 Best-Selling Cars In America - Every Car Ranked - GOOD CAR BAD CAR
This would represent the spending power of the average buyer.
If we look at sales figures for the C-class, it shows sales of ~80k units. It has an MSRP of 40k, and this represents an increase of ~60%, which for the average car buyer looking for a slightly upscale product, is not too big of a stretch. The S-class however, with an MSRP of 100k, represents a 300%+ increase, which I believe is NOT reasonable for the AVERAGE car buyer.

This fact is reflected in the sales of the S-class, which shows only ~11k units.

Therefore, unless the C-class is an 8x better product than the S-class, shows that there are MANY people that CANNOT afford an S-class, and therefore would be unable to say, "if I wanted an S-class, I would get one"


Perhaps I was slightly facetious in suggesting everyone buy Phantoms and Bentleys, but please correct me if you feel my reasoning is incorrect, or my interpretation of your statements was misguided.

[HonestTea]

Looks pretty nice! Can't wait to see it in person.

[soysauce]

I really like the new front styling especially the headlights. Like many of you, I absolutely hate the stupid looking COMAND screen. WTF cumon.

[is350]

Originally Posted by BoostedBB6

The people who generally buy a high end car like a Mercedes, BMW, Porsche etc can afford them.

Originally Posted by Mr.Stubbz

^ surely YOU cant be serious. generally the people who can afford and buy those cars make WAY more than said msrp of base bare-bones s class a year. that being said, as i am sure that they can afford rollers or bentlys (bentlies? lol) they might not want to considering the shit roads we have here and the even shittier drivers, and im pretty damn sure that it cost a HELL of a lot more to fix a roller than it does a S class.

that being said, they maintain their wealth by using their money with some wisdom and instead of paying 4 times more than they need to, they just buy a S class or 7 series or a8 because it is enough car for them and the rear seats are made well enough for them to be chauffeured in all day

Wow, I'm speechless... You can't expect people to be able to afford the top end model of a luxury car company if he buys the entry version, that's why it's called the entry luxury i.e CLA, C-class. Sure a guy who buys an s class may be able to afford an bentley, but he is definitely not as rich as the guy who buys the bentley. One guy with the s-class can buy the bentley and have nothing in their bank account while the guy with the bentley still has money in his bank account. So there is definitely an separation between the wealth. If that is your logic, then a guy who buys an elantra should be able to buy a equus. Or another guy buys the equus rather than the S-class because he thinks the equus is a enough car for them.

[Marshall Placid]

The new C class looks good, except the... LCD screen.

I like how they changed the side profile (I think they changed it) instead of sticking with the current gen's side profile.

Originally Posted by J____

amg version apparently 4Liter twin turbo V8 :O

That should give it a huge amount of power... and maybe more tuning choices than the current NA 6.3L V8.

Can't wait till the new specs are officially announced.

[!SG]

im waiting for the GLA to come out. the biggest complaint i had while sitting in the back seat of the CLA was the sloping roof. looks great, but not for anyone in the back seat if your taller than 5'5". however, if you happen to a all legs and short torso, it isnt too bad. GLA is suppositely higher up.

will probably be sent to training for the new C class next year, ill snap some spy shots.

Originally Posted by fivetwo

I need something that can fit my parents comfortably and I heard there is a waiting list for the cla which I don't really want to wait

[BoostedBB6]

Originally Posted by bmwx1

Wow, I'm speechless... You can't expect people to be able to afford the top end model of a luxury car company if he buys the entry version, that's why it's called the entry luxury i.e CLA, C-class. Sure a guy who buys an s class may be able to afford an bentley, but he is definitely not as rich as the guy who buys the bentley. One guy with the s-class can buy the bentley and have nothing in their bank account while the guy with the bentley still has money in his bank account. So there is definitely an separation between the wealth. If that is your logic, then a guy who buys an elantra should be able to buy a equus. Or another guy buys the equus rather than the S-class because he thinks the equus is a enough car for them.

My point is that MB (previously) differentiated the C and S class in both styling and market. The C was more fun and sporty where the S was all about luxury.
Now they are blurring the line, basically shrinking the S down into a C sized car.
So now they have two cars going after a similar market, and it looks bad.
If one were to want an S class but buy a C class because its similar they are effectively buying the "cheap" version and it will look like that.
I liken it to when a person purchases a 320i and then throws M badges on it.

If you are buying a C class because that is the car you like then all the power to you, there nice cars regardless of how I personally feel about it. If you buy a C class because you want an S class then you are buying the wrong car.

I have owned 3 C class' and 4 S class' and they are completely different cars. I wish Mercedes would keep them as such as they offer two completely different driving experiences, when they make a car that's to close to another model it dilutes the brand and makes it feel cheap.

[is350]

Originally Posted by BoostedBB6

My point is that MB (previously) differentiated the C and S class in both styling and market. The C was more fun and sporty where the S was all about luxury.
Now they are blurring the line, basically shrinking the S down into a C sized car.
So now they have two cars going after a similar market, and it looks bad.
If one were to want an S class but buy a C class because its similar they are effectively buying the "cheap" version and it will look like that.
I liken it to when a person purchases a 320i and then throws M badges on it.

If you are buying a C class because that is the car you like then all the power to you, there nice cars regardless of how I personally feel about it. If you buy a C class because you want an S class then you are buying the wrong car.

I have owned 3 C class' and 4 S class' and they are completely different cars. I wish Mercedes would keep them as such as they offer two completely different driving experiences, when they make a car that's to close to another model it dilutes the brand and makes it feel cheap.

Yea I get what you are saying now. The new C-class is love it or hate it. Someone who likes the exterior of the s-class but can't afford it can now buy a c-class. For me personally I'm stuck in between. I like both the previous version like you mentioned the exterior is edgy looks different from the s-class, I also like the new version for the fact that it looks smoother elegant like an s-class.

Like you said, when they make a car that's too close to another model it dilute the brand and make it feel cheap. But Bmw and audi have been doing it for quite some time, look at 3 series and 5 series, and audi A4 and A6, and now Merc is trying to do the same. I guess it has to do with the signature of the brand, like the signature front headlight and back, and overall line. It could be a way to bring more customers into the luxury brand since if someone wanted to show off their car to the average folks on the street who can't distinguish between a c-class and s-class, which is a good thing for some people.

[Gucci Mane]

Originally Posted by !SG

its called the comand screen. germany thought it look good as a faux tablet. its no different than any lcd screen in any car.

the center dash looks like the new s class, minus the hot stone seat massage option...

Originally Posted by Manic!

Most cars were single or double din so it was easy to replace when it stopped working. this follows no standard and will be a major pain in the you no what to replace.

its cool that germany thinks it looks good. but in my opinion, it looks more like an after thought.. it feels like they just forgot about but the nav screen after designing an amazing dash and just said "oh, lets throw it right there and see if people like it". in a car like this thats pushing 50+K fully loaded i would expect it to be moulded into the dash or a motorized unit like in the g35.

[BoostedBB6]

Originally Posted by bmwx1

Yea I get what you are saying now. The new C-class is love it or hate it. Someone who likes the exterior of the s-class but can't afford it can now buy a c-class. For me personally I'm stuck in between. I like both the previous version like you mentioned the exterior is edgy looks different from the s-class, I also like the new version for the fact that it looks smoother elegant like an s-class.

Like you said, when they make a car that's too close to another model it dilute the brand and make it feel cheap. But Bmw and audi have been doing it for quite some time, look at 3 series and 5 series, and audi A4 and A6, and now Merc is trying to do the same. I guess it has to do with the signature of the brand, like the signature front headlight and back, and overall line. It could be a way to bring more customers into the luxury brand since if someone wanted to show off their car to the average folks on the street who can't distinguish between a c-class and s-class, which is a good thing for some people.

BMW has done it so bad that they offer a 3 series that almost looks identical to an M3, or they offer M packages for everything so that you can take a 320 and make it look like an M3.
To each there own, and if you want to do that more power to you, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I grew up in West Van and saw a lot of people pretend that there C230 was a C43 or there 320i was a M3.
I guess some people feel the need to impress others, I don't see the reason to do so, but it makes me like cars like this less and less.

I still look forward to seeing this in person tho, I always find that they look better in person than in videos and such.

[twitchyzero]

Originally Posted by BoostedBB6

My point is that MB (previously) differentiated the C and S class in both styling and market. The C was more fun and sporty where the S was all about luxury.
Now they are blurring the line, basically shrinking the S down into a C sized car.

I guess that's why CLA was introduced

you want purely entry luxury go for a regular C
you want sporty go for the CLA/CLA 45 AMG /C63 AMG

[Timpo]

why is that screen so aftermarket looking?

[Mr.Stubbz]

Originally Posted by Rainei

I have two points to make. Regarding the Front engined GT cars, my logic is that there is a place for the lower price models, as there are vastly more people that are not as rich and therefore can only afford a lower priced model. It was Boosted's statement that "if I wanted an S, I would get an S" that sparked that logic train. So according to him rather than me, nobody would get a Ferarri FF or california, but instead would get the F12 because they are both FR GT cars, because they "looked alike" (akin to the C-class looking like the S-class).

Secondly, I believe Boosted vastly overestimates the spending power of the average car buyer. For example, the two most sold cars in the States, the Camry and Accord both have an MSRP of 24k in Canada. These models sell 300k-400k units a year in the States according to this link.
November 2013 U.S. Passenger Car Sales Rankings - Top 156 Best-Selling Cars In America - Every Car Ranked - GOOD CAR BAD CAR
This would represent the spending power of the average buyer.
If we look at sales figures for the C-class, it shows sales of ~80k units. It has an MSRP of 40k, and this represents an increase of ~60%, which for the average car buyer looking for a slightly upscale product, is not too big of a stretch. The S-class however, with an MSRP of 100k, represents a 300%+ increase, which I believe is NOT reasonable for the AVERAGE car buyer.

This fact is reflected in the sales of the S-class, which shows only ~11k units.

Therefore, unless the C-class is an 8x better product than the S-class, shows that there are MANY people that CANNOT afford an S-class, and therefore would be unable to say, "if I wanted an S-class, I would get one"


Perhaps I was slightly facetious in suggesting everyone buy Phantoms and Bentleys, but please correct me if you feel my reasoning is incorrect, or my interpretation of your statements was misguided.

the thing with bringing in the general buyers of cars is that a large percentage of them dont even look at other models or test drive cars, they merely go by the fact that they hear word that the camry/accord/ any other averagely good car is that thats all most people want to hear, a majority of them mainly want a car that suits their lifestyle (i.e. drive to and from work and the occasional grocery run or a mini van/suv if they have kids)

i will admit that the post i quoted from you honestly wasnt that great of a post imo, as a tl;dr version of that post from what i got away from it was "people should just get a c class since its essentially a s class but smaller and cheaper"

and still getting on the point of "if you wanted a s class you should just get a s class" a buyer shopping for the s class is probably shopping for it because of what the s class offers, superior technology against pretty much all other cars and the luxury that they want that honestly cant be matched by a c class, as im sure that MB wouldnt want to compete within its own line up

you also have to realize that the same as real life, the percentage of wealthy people is dwarfed by the amount middle class/lower class people, so the purchase percentage of the s class compared to the cheaper c class would logically represent it as the same.

not gonna lie, sorta forgot what you said entire in your prev post but yea, i see what you are saying but personally i think some of your points differ from my own option, thus the joys of the internet and FORUM FIGHTS