2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06: This is it.

[StylinRed]

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[multicartual]

Domestics are looking sick as fuck!!!

The GT-R is one of the ugliest cars available right now. New BMWs look cartoonish, even a bit... gay. Like I expect male hairdressers to drive up, put the window down, and go "Heeeeeey!"

I also have to say that even though the Supra and FD Rx-7 are like 20 years old, they are still some of the BEST looking cars ever made.

[BoostedBB6]

Originally Posted by multicartual

Domestics are looking sick as fuck!!!

The GT-R is one of the ugliest cars available right now. New BMWs look cartoonish, even a bit... gay. Like I expect male hairdressers to drive up, put the window down, and go "Heeeeeey!"

I also have to say that even though the Supra and FD Rx-7 are like 20 years old, they are still some of the BEST looking cars ever made.

I could not agree with you more.

The MKIV Supra and the FD RX7 are the two most beautiful car designs of all time IMO. That is the exact reason why I own a MKIV, they are a beautiful car and even 20 years after they were first introduced they are still beautiful and they are one of the most heavily supported cars for aftermarket so its a win win.

However, if car makers keep coming up with designs like this Vette then there will be some modern day contenders for that title.

[GeeGeeCivic]

Not feeling the quad exhaust tips in the middle - just looks awkward... but the triple exhaust tips in the middle of the 458 italia works much better.
Im really liking the extra aero exterior pieces the z06 has over the base vette tho, especially that its from factory.

[multicartual]

Originally Posted by BoostedBB6

I could not agree with you more.

The MKIV Supra and the FD RX7 are the two most beautiful car designs of all time IMO.

Many of my favorite cars are from that era. The E36 3 series, E39 M5, the NSX, R34 GT-R, F355, even the lowly Ford Probe still looks decent! I saw a lowered blue Probe with nice wheels the other day, looked pretty good. 911 Turbos around 95-97 also look great. They still have the old school flavour with modern touches, a perfect blend IMO.

Concept cars like the GT90 looked truly space-age. XJ220!

Call me crazy, but I would totally rock a Lotus Esprit. You can pick one up on Ebay for under 50k and I find them incredibly stylish. Like a late 80's Bond villain car.

[godwin]

Here is a refresher on the history of Z06

Originally Posted by belka

Wait, shouldn't this be called the Z07?

If the Z0whatever has 620hp/650tqs, wtf kind of monster is the ZR1 going to be?

[Gucci Mane]

this only proves that new zr1 will decimate all. i was kind of meh about the c7 stingray but this z06,

[multicartual]

Originally Posted by Knight_KB

this only proves that new zr1 will decimate all. i was kind of meh about the c7 stingray but this z06,

GT-R's AWD and DCT is a hard combo to beat...

[JD¹³]

No manual available? Not even paddles, just a straight automatic? No thanks.

[godwin]

With ESC becoming federally mandated standard, it is just not economically viable to have manual transmission for low volume cars, since engineers need to collect a heck more data points to calibrate conditions and outcomes for each possible manual input (including stupid ones). With automatics, it is a simple model but with human input it is not that simple.

Chances are in the not so distant future, if you want manual, it will be an option that is couple thousands more than than DCT or automatic.

Besides from a warranty standpoint, you won't have customer claiming warranty for mis-shifting and blowing up tranny and/or engines anymore.

Originally Posted by JD¹³

No manual available? Not even paddles, just a straight automatic? No thanks.

[white rocket]

Originally Posted by godwin

Chances are in the not so distant future, if you want manual, it will be an option that is couple thousands more than than DCT or automatic.

Besides from a warranty standpoint, you won't have customer claiming warranty for mis-shifting and blowing up tranny and/or engines anymore.

I completely agree. There are too many human error possibilities with a manual transmission so from a warranty standpoint alone it makes sense to focus more on "automatic" variations. No chance of mis-shifting, grinding or over-revving and the manufacturer/dealer can monitor transmission activity with the way technology is nowadays. Besides, the pure manual lovers are a dying breed as most of the people that are buying these cars would prefer auto anyway. Unfortunately it is that possibility of human error that makes driving manual so much fun IMO. Ten people could all drive the car different. And when your shifting is on point you just feel like you're in the zone!! As much as I like the fact that paddle shift allows the driver to keep their hands on the wheel at all times and shift times are faster than a human I still feel that the shifting/foot clutch action is necessary(and thrilling) and should always remain an option in the sports car world.

[ilvtofu]

Mother of god, if this thing is priced under 100k...

[supafamous]

The manual is standard, 8 speed auto is optional says Jalopnik (via Corvette forum and Hot Rod magazine).

At that horsepower rating an auto is probably a good idea (I imagine it's a pretty kick ass auto).

[dangonay]

Originally Posted by godwin

With ESC becoming federally mandated standard, it is just not economically viable to have manual transmission for low volume cars, since engineers need to collect a heck more data points to calibrate conditions and outcomes for each possible manual input (including stupid ones). With automatics, it is a simple model but with human input it is not that simple.

Chances are in the not so distant future, if you want manual, it will be an option that is couple thousands more than than DCT or automatic.

Besides from a warranty standpoint, you won't have customer claiming warranty for mis-shifting and blowing up tranny and/or engines anymore.

Don't agree. Stability control systems work just as good with manual gearboxes as they do with automatics (torque converter type) or dual clutch gearboxes. BMW (for example) already takes into account possible driver errors (like dumping the clutch in a lower gear while cornering, which can cause the rear end to slip from excessive engine braking). And they've been doing this for a long time already (or, it's not rocket science).

Of all the data points being used for stability control, what gear you're in is way down the list. The most important sensors would be wheel speed, yaw rate and steering angle. In fact, a manual gearbox doesn't even need sensors for gear position - this can be calculated based on wheel speed vs engine RPM.

As to warranty, we don't see many issues with manual gearboxes. In fact, they have fewer issues than automatics or DCT. We get the occasional driver who burns out a clutch, but that's a wear item like brakes. The dealer isn't going to be replacing clutches under warranty after only 10K. Same goes for any other type of abuse.

Theoretically a DCT should be more reliable since human error is eliminated. However, a DCT is also far more complex which tends to make things pretty much even in the real world.

[godwin]

It might work as well, but it comes down to time. Automatics modes are more finite and much easier to model with Simulink. $ speaks especially in this tight budget environment.. not to mention Simulink modelling works well when need to you add other things like KERS which is getting to be a "must have" feature of all high value cars.

Manual Transmissions Are Hideously Expensive Because Of Software

To develop, test, homologate, and certify an MTX [manual transmission - Ed.] variant of a vehicle platform is very costly. Probably more costly than the borderline MTX enthusiast might be willing to pay. It's not just the hardware which can get costly for a well synthesized box - It's the software. Whether we like it or not, software drives modern day cars. Engine, Transmission, and ESP/ABS/TCS systems all run on software. Sure, the base software for the control systems can be carried over, but the calibration for these systems is not trivial by any means, and requires significant man-years of development and several prototype test properties in multiple environments to develop, test, and certify performance and safety.

Originally Posted by dangonay

Don't agree. Stability control systems work just as good with manual gearboxes as they do with automatics (torque converter type) or dual clutch gearboxes. BMW (for example) already takes into account possible driver errors (like dumping the clutch in a lower gear while cornering, which can cause the rear end to slip from excessive engine braking). And they've been doing this for a long time already (or, it's not rocket science).

Of all the data points being used for stability control, what gear you're in is way down the list. The most important sensors would be wheel speed, yaw rate and steering angle. In fact, a manual gearbox doesn't even need sensors for gear position - this can be calculated based on wheel speed vs engine RPM.

As to warranty, we don't see many issues with manual gearboxes. In fact, they have fewer issues than automatics or DCT. We get the occasional driver who burns out a clutch, but that's a wear item like brakes. The dealer isn't going to be replacing clutches under warranty after only 10K. Same goes for any other type of abuse.

Theoretically a DCT should be more reliable since human error is eliminated. However, a DCT is also far more complex which tends to make things pretty much even in the real world.

[SpuGen]

Kinda relevant.

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[Timpo]

Originally Posted by multicartual

Many of my favorite cars are from that era. The E36 3 series, E39 M5, the NSX, R34 GT-R, F355, even the lowly Ford Probe still looks decent! I saw a lowered blue Probe with nice wheels the other day, looked pretty good. 911 Turbos around 95-97 also look great. They still have the old school flavour with modern touches, a perfect blend IMO.

Concept cars like the GT90 looked truly space-age. XJ220!

Call me crazy, but I would totally rock a Lotus Esprit. You can pick one up on Ebay for under 50k and I find them incredibly stylish. Like a late 80's Bond villain car.

1990s were the best era especially for Japanese cars.

Look.. as you can see, when you compare 1970s to 1990s, you can see how far they have gone within 20 years. Now look next 20 years, from 1990s to 2010s. Not much of progress is it?

20 years before 1990s (1970s)



1990s



20 years later (2010s)

[Timpo]

actually I think after 1990s it was all downhill for Jap cars.

If you compare 1980s to 1990s, you can see how Japanese cars improved in 10 years. But once you enter 2000s, it was shit.

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[multicartual]

Great post Timpo.


You know, I hope the Need for Speed franchise can be turned around by them making the next game set in 1997 or something. That Celica GT-4 is so sexy, oh lawdy, sweet Jesus!

[ShaneN]

2015 Chevrolet Corvette Z06: The Fastest Production Vette! - The Downshift Ep. 74 - YouTube

[mb_]

Here's the C7.R.

The Corvette C7.R Is The Hardcore Le Mans-Storming Race Vette You Need

[ShaneN]

[thumper]

Damn. Anyone care to find out what the treadwear rating is on that tire?

[dangonay]

Originally Posted by godwin

It might work as well, but it comes down to time. Automatics modes are more finite and much easier to model with Simulink. $ speaks especially in this tight budget environment.. not to mention Simulink modelling works well when need to you add other things like KERS which is getting to be a "must have" feature of all high value cars.

Manual Transmissions Are Hideously Expensive Because Of Software

Terrible source article to try and prove your point. First the guy talks about how engine calibrations have grown in complexity and then INFERS that ABS and related systems have also grown by the same amount. This is simply not true. That and his use of words like "probably" without any actual facts to back up his claim.

The amount of time required to perform an engine calibration is FAR greater than something like ABS. Emissions regulations not only vary from country to country, but they also change yearly. OEM's can face huge fines/penalties if they release a vehicle that doesn't meet regulations. Stability control/ABS doesn't have to be modified for target countries, other than some basic communication with the engine ECU.

Further, how an engine performs/behaves is far more important to the customer. Even the slightest hesitation when the throttle is pressed is something that will be noticed by the driver. The engine has to perform perfectly, all the time, in all weather conditions. This is what engineers spend their time on when doing engine calibrations. Tuning an engine to make good power is easy - making it run flawlessly is the hard part.

Nobody notices these things with ABS or stability control. They are the "oh shit" responses to an unsafe driving condition. Nobody complains "gee, my pedal vibrates too much when ABS kicks in" or "I hear funny noises when the traction control is working".

Taking BMW as an example, we routinely get software updates for DME's. Some are emission related, some are cold weather and others are for drivability. We also get updates for automatic transmissions (usually for shift quality/drivability). By comparison, I can't even recall ever seeing a software update for DSC (ABS) or another stability control related system. They are systems that never have issues and "just work" (save for a faulty sensor - but those have nothing to do with software).

[BBMme]

Z06 will have the 7 speed manual. But I wonder how the well the 8 speed is compared to a dual clutch
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