Chances of getting into SFU?

[anxiety]

Originally Posted by fs604

I feel like you guys are making it seem harder than it is to get a 3.07. Keep in mind this is only slightly higher than a B average and that the 100/200 level business courses are generally pretty easy (perhaps unpopular opinion). My advice would be to aim for A's (3.66+) on the 4 credit courses so you can relax a bit and settle for C+/B-'s on other ones.

It is easier to get the 3.07 gpa if you experienced in university level courses, and if you have good study habit. In OP's case, I don't think it will be as easy as he thinks. FYI good study habit means going to the lecture, pay attention 100%. After lecture, re-read the lecture notes or re-listen to the lecture recording, doing homework and then studying for midterms and such... Not everyone is willing to make this kind of effort.

[twitchyzero]

back in high school the counselors recommended students to go through college first because it's cheaper and an easier transition...didn't really believe them nor some of my older friends or siblings...'cant be that bad'

went from 5 high school academics to 5 university academics and boy was I in for a shock...the average grade drop from grade 12 to 1st year is 20-25% for most people...which is why it's not uncommon for academic probations not just in science/engineering but even business and arts

the secondary school system doesn't prepare you jack for university...only does an adequate job to ensure you graduate and that's it. I noticed my friends that did AP or IB in high school had a smoother transition. I also noticed some of those academically weaker students in high school took adult night school to go the college route worked their ass off and managed to finish at UBC/SFU the same time as those that went through university for the entirety of their degree.

so yeah I wouldn't rule out college...so what if you have to bus a little further the first 2 years...at least you're not treated as just a number.

[GGnoRE]

Originally Posted by fs604

I feel like you guys are making it seem harder than it is to get a 3.07. Keep in mind this is only slightly higher than a B average and that the 100/200 level business courses are generally pretty easy (perhaps unpopular opinion). My advice would be to aim for A's (3.66+) on the 4 credit courses so you can relax a bit and settle for C+/B-'s on other ones.

True that. No offense to anyone, but 3.07 is not a competitive GPA at all. I highly doubt you will be able to transfer to Beedie with that GPA, considering it is a highly sought out program at SFU (unless, you have fantastic extra curricular). I would even go far as to say it will be very tough to apply for entry-level positions at first tier business firms with such GPA upon graduation.

If you consider yourself an ambitious student, I wouldn't aim for anything lower than 3.6.

[v_tec]

Originally Posted by GGnoRE

True that. No offense to anyone, but 3.07 is not a competitive GPA at all. I highly doubt you will be able to transfer to Beedie with that GPA, considering it is a highly sought out program at SFU (unless, you have fantastic extra curricular). I would even go far as to say it will be very tough to apply for entry-level positions at first tier business firms with such GPA upon graduation.

If you consider yourself an ambitious student, I wouldn't aim for anything lower than 3.6.

IIRC Beedie transfer's GPA is at 3.05~3.08

It's somewhere deep in SFU / Beedie's website. They announce the latest gpa each semester.

[fs604]

The gpa requirement is indeed that low, but as ggnore says, graduating with a gpa that low as a business student would be very... unfortunate...

I see that there are so many people in beedie that don't deserve to be in it. It makes me wonder how they even got accepted straight out of high school even with the help of inflated marks from biased teachers.

[anxiety]

Lol 3.6 gpa, you would have to at least top 10% of the students, and extremely dedicated, and talented, that's graduate school material. For a 3.0 GPA, an average student who studies hard and makes good use of time can pull it off, but 3.6 gpa is for the extreme. Not saying 3.0 gpa can't get you into graduate school, but 3.6 and 3.0 are on two completely different levels.

[GGnoRE]

Originally Posted by anxiety

Lol 3.6 gpa, you would have to at least top 10% of the students, and extremely dedicated, and talented, that's graduate school material. For a 3.0 GPA, an average student who studies hard and makes good use of time can pull it off, but 3.6 gpa is for the extreme. Not saying 3.0 gpa can't get you into graduate school, but 3.6 and 3.0 are on two completely different levels.

Extremely dedicated? Yes. Talented? not entirely.

With so many schools pumping out thousands of new grads every year, the margin of competitive gpa is only getting thinner. Don't get me wrong, marks are definitely not everything but frankly speaking, business schools and business firms do not want "average" students.

[theevilslave]

Get that 3.6 GPA and apply to Sauder

Imo I found first year very challenging to do well; my GPA took a huge hit. I'm only recovering now and doing (pretty) well in major courses.

I still hate calc though.. with a passion

[Purely]

A 3.07 for transfer isn't impossible, but it isn't easy though. You're not only competing with other students trying to transfer, but people already in the program that is trying to get high marks for scholarships, Co-op, Accounting designation, etc. Material isn't necessarily too hard, but the CURVE at SFU is.

The 200 level business courses required for transfer are actually harder than the 300 levels because of the way it is curved, similar to what Supa said. The averages are around C+ for 200 levels, where it is usually a B- in the 300 levels with a lot more B's and A's given.

To GGnoRE, just curious do you go to SFU?

Because a 3.07 is right on the spot for transfer, like v_tec said IIRC Beedie transfer's GPA is at 3.05~3.08. I would probably even try when I'm in the 3.01, 3.02 range.

[GGnoRE]

I graduated from UBC last year and have moved on to doing a masters in quantitative finance.

I have to admit though, I am surprised that the transfer average at Beedie is only around 3.05 considering the great things I've heard about the program and how it is highly sought out for. I know that for Sauder at UBC, 3.05 has slim chance of transfer acceptance. Maybe the discrepancy arises from the "strictness" of the grade curve that SFU has compared to UBC. For UBC, the curve depends on the individual departments and there are lot of courses that has no such mandatory curve policy.

I thought I would chime in to this thread because there seems to be a pattern of prospective students asking every year about the likelihood of transfer into business schools from Arts.
The reality is (at least for Sauder) that it is much tougher than getting a first-year admittance from high school.
Unless they are prepared to dedicate a serious commitment to their grades and extra-curricular, they shouldn't expect any positive surprises.

[Purely]

I agree, in general Sauder is much tougher to get into.

Are Sauder business courses curved? Also, I think one important thing to mention is the flexible Co-op options at SFU versus the much more strict policies at UBC. Is it true if you miss the deadline/fail the co-op interview, then its over because you only get one chance?

[Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by anxiety

Lol 3.6 gpa, you would have to at least top 10% of the students, and extremely dedicated, and talented, that's graduate school material. For a 3.0 GPA, an average student who studies hard and makes good use of time can pull it off, but 3.6 gpa is for the extreme. Not saying 3.0 gpa can't get you into graduate school, but 3.6 and 3.0 are on two completely different levels.

3.6 GPA and top 10%? 3.60 is only 79% out of a 4.33 scale, so I don't think that is the top 10 percent of students. However, I do agree with you that 3.0 and 3.6 are on completely different levels. I have a 4.00/4.33 GPA at Sauder while taking a full course load, working over 3 days a week and bussing 4 hours a week, but that's because I only study, work, and hit the gym every single day. Chilling with friends and drinking at parties are about once a week - nothing else till after exams. It really comes down to two things - how well you manage your time, and how efficiently you study and write exams. It is almost impossible to achieve a high GPA without having both unless you are taking a light course load and/or not employed.

Here are a couple threads of a bunch of SFU students complaining about their school. Albeit they're quite old, it's worth a read :

http://www.talksfu.ca/forum/discussi...o-go-to-ubc/p1

http://talksfu.ca/forum/discussion/3...-sfu-haters/p1

Moral: Apply to Sauder as a first choice because of Sauder's reputation outside of BC. I would say Bieber and Sauder are on-par in British Columbia, but outside of the country, employers really don't know much about Simon Fraser relative to UBC. UBC is where it's at. If I were you, I would apply to both Sauder and Beedie. If you don't get into one, it is fine because you have a backup.

Originally Posted by gYU

I agree, in general Sauder is much tougher to get into.

Are Sauder business courses curved? Also, I think one important thing to mention is the flexible Co-op options at SFU versus the much more strict policies at UBC. Is it true if you miss the deadline/fail the co-op interview, then its over because you only get one chance?

I cannot speak for the other majors, but I can share insight on the accounting co-op program at UBC as of late. Due to the recent CA/CGA/CMA merger, the required prerequisites for CASB has changed drastically such that co-op is essentially a waste of time for many students. The majority of my friends who were in the UBC co-op program dropped it because of this.

[v_tec]

Originally Posted by Zoidberg

Morale: Apply to Sauder as a first choice because of Sauder's reputation outside of BC. I would say Bieber and Sauder are on-par in British Columbia, but outside of the country, employers really don't know much about Simon Fraser relative to UBC. UBC is where it's at. If I were you, I would apply to both Sauder and Beedie. If you don't get into one, it is fine because you have a backup.

[mac25]

...Talk to an SFU counselor ...I even found you the number

Burnaby/Surrey campus student help desk 778.782.6930





Now for parties SFU SUCKZ! at least on campus in Burnaby there's these stupid hall monitors for first and second year.

Ubc is banging for parties especially on the beach in summer =D.

ECU has some epic parties but you have to know someone to find one and there arn't many straight girls.

[Gerbs]

Originally Posted by GGnoRE

True that. No offense to anyone, but 3.07 is not a competitive GPA at all. I highly doubt you will be able to transfer to Beedie with that GPA, considering it is a highly sought out program at SFU (unless, you have fantastic extra curricular). I would even go far as to say it will be very tough to apply for entry-level positions at first tier business firms with such GPA upon graduation.

If you consider yourself an ambitious student, I wouldn't aim for anything lower than 3.6.

Doesn't require extracurricular if your going through internal transfer or a transfer from a college. Also the 3.07 GPA is the cutoff for acceptance on the website.

[SofaKingFast]

Found out that my co worker actually got into Beedie last year with a 85% avg and a average EC (mcdonalds+football)
Praying that the same miracle happens to me

[Zoidberg]

OP, where else have you applied? It seems like you are only focusing on Beedie for some odd reason.

[SofaKingFast]

Going to use BCIT electrical/Cap business as a backup. But most likely arts should at least take me

[Geoc]

You're all over the place, pick one concentration regardless of where you go, and then transfer away if you don't like it. Electrical and business are extremely different, you need to figure out one path to go with first, and decide if you want to change faculty later.

[Messerschmitt]

I can tell you that the first year courses (100 levels) will screw you over big time. 100 level courses often have 200-500 students and it's a huge mess.

My CGPA is over 3.5. However, on most 100 levels I barely managed to pull out a B, B+. The only reason my GPA is so high is because of my major courses I need to take and that i manage to get A's in my 200,300 levels

[xXSupa]

Originally Posted by mac25

Now for parties SFU SUCKZ! at least on campus in Burnaby there's these stupid hall monitors for first and second year.

Ubc is banging for parties especially on the beach in summer =D.

ECU has some epic parties but you have to know someone to find one and there arn't many straight girls.

I don't see what this even has to do with the OP's question.

Not everyone cares about parties, and that clearly isn't the OP's top priority at this moment.

I admit that SFU's parties are nowhere close to being as large as UBC/UVIC/etc..., but there's still a good amount of smaller scaled parties going on every week. You just gotta know some people, or know where to look for them.

[Zoidberg]

[yray]

FUCK SFU, FIC IS WHERE IT'S AT

Spoiler!

LOL 1500th post is a fuck sfu post

Spoiler!

flunking 1st/2nd yr = shit GPA unless u do another degree in smth else. I gave up on my last year, work so much to see a .03 raise And I flunked my electives, not even my major

[SofaKingFast]

Well to update: I'm able to bring my average up to 87-89 now lol.. Hopefully my EC essay doesn't anchor me down

[xXSupa]

^To give you some idea, I got in with an 89% Average + Mehh supplementals.

All I had was volunteer/club involvement & work.