Malaysian Airline loses contact with passenger airline

[Harvey Specter]

Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo

Where is the best source for accurate news?

AP and Reuters would be the best source for the most accurate news regarding this story. WSJ has been pretty spot on as well.

[JSALES]

I don't know why but I find it hard to believe it got hijacked

[Harvey Specter]

This entire incident is getting downright eerie.

[xxxrsxxx]

live press conference going on now!

[bballguy]

Originally Posted by LiquidTurbo

Where is the best source for accurate news?

RevScene, Duh!

[underscore]

I'm watching the last bit of the press conference and the fucking guy just asked about the cell phones

[multicartual]

I lit a candle and put it on my windowsill


Hate how many people have been cracking jokes and trivializing this, the family members involved are going through hell. More people should pray for those people rather than opening their mouths and saying hurtful things.

[bballguy]

Originally Posted by multicartual

I lit a candle and put it on my windowsill

.........

[underscore]

Allegedly the families have been told that the plane last contacted at 8:11, that's an additional hour on top of what we had before, a total of 6 hours of flying after it disappeared.

[v_tec]

Came home a tad late. The CCTV 'live' link is now just discussing about it...etc.
- the plane has flew for more than 6+ hrs
- last contact 0811

But does anyone have a link have a recap of the PM speech?

[v_tec]

Originally Posted by underscore

Allegedly the families have been told that the plane last contacted at 8:11, that's an additional hour on top of what we had before, a total of 6 hours of flying after it disappeared.

Does anyone recall what time MH officially declare it was missing? I think it was 8/9am too...

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by v_tec

Does anyone recall what time MH officially declare it was missing? I think it was 8/9am too...

i think it was an hour after it was supposed to land in beijing before they made the announcement cant recall

[underscore]

Originally Posted by v_tec

Does anyone recall what time MH officially declare it was missing? I think it was 8/9am too...

I skimmed a couple older articles but none mention when the announcement was made other than after it was supposed to have landed, but the interesting part is that they initially said the plane was lost from ATC and went missing at 2:40 after two hours of flight. However, we now know that the plane was lost at 1:17 and picked up on the west coast at 2:40 (which was at first denied, and then confirmed). Considering the track record of MH so far, I'd say they knew about at least some of these pings from the start.

edit: Press conference summed up on another forum:

press conference points/confirmations:
high degree of certainty that acars was disabled.
transponder shut off.
malaysian radar had primary return of mh370.
aircraft movement is consistent with deliberate action of someone on plane.
raw satellite data confirms that the aircraft on malaysian primary radar was mh370
faa/ntsb/aaib/malaysian authorities all concur.
ending search operation in the South China Sea

last confirmed satellite communication at 8:11 AM malaysian time
satellite data cannot confirm precise location of plane when it contacted satellite.
malaysian authorities and internationoal counterpoints confirm that the final location CAN be narrowed down to one of two corridors:

northern corridor: around Kazakhstan / Turkmenistan border to northern Thailand
southern corridor: from Indonesia to southern Indian Ocean

[Harvey Specter]

You think CNN is bad with some of their theories well Fox News takes the cake by spreading rumors that the plane landed somewhere in Pakistan. They even had a Lt. general of the US army who said he believed the plane landed somewhere in Pakistan and went on to say if the hijacker(s) went through all the effort to fly the plane undetected the hijacker(s) would have known how much fuel was on board and the range they could fly. And he pointed out if the person controlling the aircraft wanted to crash the plane, they would have crashed it inland as oppose to the open sea.

For the sake of rumors I really hope they find this plane soon or otherwise this confirmation of a hijacking is going to fuel crazy conspiracy theories.

[icemiko]

Pretty good live source here: Missing Malaysia Airlines flight live: Satellites picked up 'electronic ping' from missing flight MH370 after it lost contact with ground control - Mirror Online

[underscore]

Guesstimate of landing area from Twitter user Flying With Fish, who apparently has some very good sources and has been providing guesstimates later confirmed by official reports. Supposedly those sources can explain how it could have gotten to this destination without detection.



That endpoint is Esfahan, Iran. From the airliners.net threads:

I visited Esfahan a couple of years ago. For those who don't know, Iran's nuclear facilities are located just beyond the outskirts of Esfahan.

If, and this is a big if, the plane is in Iran, either those two Iranians on stolen passports are the unluckiest asylum seekers ever, or they were likely involved.

[Harvey Specter]

I guess other logical questions to ask now is why this particular flight was singled out? Was there valuable cargo on board? Or was there a passenger that was valuable enough to hijack the plane?

[underscore]

Well here's a summary of some interesting tweets from FlyingWithFish courtesy of airliners again

Rereading the FlyingwithFish tweets, a few stand out, such as:

"A Terrorist wants to spread terror and get credit. A cartel wants whatever it wants & leaves no evidence behind"

"Because it is not terrorism , it is theft or abduction with collateral damage"

"They want a who or what on that plane"

"I thought someone seated in the pointed end of #MH370 is fully complicit in whatever happened"

" Also addressed the zero cargo being screened"

"On Tuesday I started tweeting about cargo x-ray being down at KUL, now it seems only #MH370 pushed without its cargo screened"

He has been very consistent in saying it's not the plane that is wanted, but something on board, and that the plane is on the ground but unlikely to fly again.

Only repeating this because some of his information has subsequently been corroborated, such as flying for 3,675 miles (or seven hours) from the last known point ... however he may be sniffing glue!

If it's true that the planes cargo was not screened then who knows what was in there. And if that is the case I'd be looking for signs of intentional tampering with the x-ray machines, and looking into anybody who had access to them. Same deal with fuel, if the x ray was intentionally damaged then just as easily could the plane not have been filled with extra fuel by paid off ground staff? Do the trucks log fuel flow for billing purposes?

Apparently smuggling US weapons tech to Iran from Malaysia is quite common, at least it was back in 2009 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aK4daf8MD.Bw

Someone also posted up a very plausible way in which someone with a bit of research and social skill could have conceivably convinced the pilot to let them into the cockpit, the amount of time it would have taken to find a pilot that this would work on might ruin the possibility though

Figure out if one of the passenger(s) "befriended" the pilot by becoming a close flight simulator pal of his, and I think you will have found your Trojan horse. What better way to get access to the flight deck, than to be flight sim buds with the captain for months/years, sharing the same passion? After gaining his confidence, you casually mention how neat it would be to be able to see a real flight deck in action, and not just on the computer simulator, and the captain agrees. He tells you when he is flying, you buy a ticket, and after takeoff, during a quite period of the flight, he invites you- as his close flight sim "buddy"- on up to check out the action. After all, it was reported on TV that he previously let some Australian girls onto the flight deck, so why not his flight sim pal?

Said person(s) has now Trojan-horsed himself onto the flight deck, takes out the captain/co-pilot,....struggles with the controls at first (it's a little different than sitting in front of the computer), shuts off all the tracking devices that he is aware of, gets the plane back under control, and takes off for who knows were, for who knows what.

It sounds a lot more likely to have been either the pilot or co-pilot though.

edit: the TL;DR is that the cargo allegedly wasn't x ray'd and that US military tech smuggling from Malaysia to Iran used to be quite common. Combine that with the possibility of the flight landing in Iran near a nuclear facility as posted above, and I'm pretty sure you can figure out the rest on your own.

[StylinRed]

Originally Posted by Lord Disick

otherwise this confirmation of a hijacking is going to fuel crazy conspiracy theories.

too late

[v_tec]

List of possible runways:

[v_tec]

The two "Northern" and "Southern" point mentioned on the news conf

[underscore]

Here's a colour one, makes the lines more obvious:



Jonah Fisher ‏@JonahFisher (BBC correspondent in Burma)
Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border.

[skyxx]

Diego Garcia.

[1exotic]

Originally Posted by underscore

Guesstimate of landing area from Twitter user Flying With Fish, who apparently has some very good sources and has been providing guesstimates later confirmed by official reports. Supposedly those sources can explain how it could have gotten to this destination without detection.



That endpoint is Esfahan, Iran. From the airliners.net threads:



If, and this is a big if, the plane is in Iran, either those two Iranians on stolen passports are the unluckiest asylum seekers ever, or they were likely involved.

This is what I've assumed after finding out about the two stolen passports. This is all starting too add up. The plane turning around towards the Indian ocean makes no sense, if it crashed, it might as well of crashed on the original route..

[underscore]

Someone actually found a flight the plane could've used to hide from radar on the way to Iran as well, but it sounds like the plane eventually went more north instead of west. The only reason to go towards the Indian Ocean would be a suicide intended to be hard to find to prevent life insurance from being denied.