Anti-vaccine people

[CharlesInCharge]

Soundy you're so smart and an active researcher, Im surprised you havent cracked the hepatitis B questions yet

Originally Posted by twdm

CiC.... Mercury has been removed from vaccines for decades... Stop bringing up bullshit from your 30-40 year old archives. Might as well say electricity is the work of the devil. My ancestors from the 1800s said so.

What are your sources that there is no mercury in vaccines anymore?
Could it be that you're the one fed bullshit from the devil?

Originally Posted by observer

Which is more likely, a multinational conspiracy pushing the unnecessary Hepatitis B vaccine for infants or perhaps there are genuine benefits?

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The hepatitis B vaccine (HBV) protects your child against the hepatitis B virus, which can lead to liver damage and even death.

Hepatitis B is generally considered an adult disease because it's known to be transmitted through unsafe sex and shared needles. But many who get it, including children, don't engage in these "high-risk" behaviors. They're either infected at birth or they contract the disease from close contact during childhood with others who are infected.

Hepatitis B is highly infectious. An estimated 800,000 to 1.4 million people in the United States have the virus, and 20 to 30 percent of them acquired the disease in childhood. Many of them never feel sick and don't know they have it, but those who become infected as children are more likely to have long-term health problems such as cirrhosis and liver cancer. About 3,000 Americans die from hepatitis B-related illnesses every year.
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So because a few mothers dont want to test them selves for hepatitis B, that means everyone should give their little babies a poison cocktail of a vaccine? Of course not that is just silly or rather stupid.

So were left with your other researched conclusion to show that their is no conspiracy. Lets say Im raising a baby in my apartment, how does it contract a blood virus like Hepatitis B?

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

Soundy you're so smart and an active researcher, Im surprised you havent cracked the hepatitis B questions yet

Already been addressed, why should I duplicate effort?

[CharlesInCharge]

Comprehension fail then?

"Lets say Im raising a baby in my apartment, how does it contract a blood virus like Hepatitis B? "

[twdm]

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

What are your sources that there is no mercury in vaccines anymore?
Could it be that you're the one fed bullshit from the devil?

Sorry, let me clarify. Mercury has been removed from almost all childhood vaccines that are accused of causing autism (eg. MMR). So the claim that the MMR has mercury is a non-factor.

SOURCE: Thimerosal in Vaccines and Autism - Vaccine Safety - Public Health Agency of Canada

"Q2. Is thimerosal in all vaccines?
No. Most vaccines licensed in Canada do not contain thimerosal.

The influenza vaccine and most hepatitis B vaccines are multi-dose vaccines, which contain thimerosal as a preservative.

For immunization of infants against hepatitis B, parents or guardians in some provinces and territories have the choice of a thimerosal-free vaccine."

[MG1]

CIC, do you have kids of your own?

I not a RS stalker, so I have no idea where you are coming from. You probably posted it somewhere, but I don't recall. Not gonna judge you, either. Just curious, nothing else.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by MG1

CIC, do you have kids of your own?

I not a RS stalker, so I have no idea where you are coming from. You probably posted it somewhere, but I don't recall. Not gonna judge you, either. Just curious, nothing else.

Here's CiC's resume.

[CharlesInCharge]

Looking forward to seeing you answer that question Soundy... you're probably finding the best sources to really put my conspiracy ass in place.

Originally Posted by twdm

Sorry, let me clarify. Mercury has been removed from almost all childhood vaccines that are accused of causing autism (eg. MMR). So the claim that the MMR has mercury is a non-factor.

SOURCE: Thimerosal in Vaccines and Autism - Vaccine Safety - Public Health Agency of Canada

For immunization of infants against hepatitis B, parents or guardians in some provinces and territories have the choice of a thimerosal-free vaccine.

Originally Posted by MG1

CIC, do you have kids of your own?

I not a RS stalker, so I have no idea where you are coming from. You probably posted it somewhere, but I don't recall. Not gonna judge you, either. Just curious, nothing else.

I have a half brother who is 2 years old now... hes Japaneses and Iranian in which the language barrier makes my doctors advises fall on deaf ears. Propaganda is too deep specially when there is a person to person face to it in a clean white coat telling them what to do.

[observer]

No pre school, no interaction with others, no visitor, 100% sure mother and whoever the infant sees is Hepatitis B free, to scratches, no play with kids.. Sure.

[CharlesInCharge]

Is that how Hepatitis B is contracted? sources please.

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

Is that how Hepatitis B is contracted? sources other than thousands of competent, dedicated doctors and immunologists who've been researching this for decades, please.

Fixed.

[CharlesInCharge]

Hey geniuses if Hepatitis B was passed on by regular daily contact or scratches then why is it such a rare cancerous disease?

[observer]

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

Is that how Hepatitis B is contracted? sources please.

Source listed above as highlighted.

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

Hey geniuses if Hepatitis B was passed on by regular daily contact or scratches then why is it such a rare cancerous disease?

Rare disease?

Worldwide, 2 billion people (1 out of 3 people) have been infected with hepatitis B. 400 million people have become chronically infected (which means they are unable to get rid of the virus). An estimated 1 million people die each year from hepatitis B and its complications.

In the United States, over 12 million people have been infected (that’s 1 out of 20 people). Almost 100,000 new people are infected with hepatitis B each year. An estimated 5,000 Americans die each year from hepatitis B and its complications.

[CharlesInCharge]

Originally Posted by observer

Source listed above as highlighted.

Rare disease?

Your source is vague.. tell me in your own written English what if
"Im raising a baby in my apartment, how could it contract a blood virus like Hepatitis B?"

Originally Posted by observer

Worldwide, 2 billion people (1 out of 3 people) have been infected with hepatitis B. 400 million people have become chronically infected (which means they are unable to get rid of the virus). An estimated 1 million people die each year from hepatitis B and its complications.

In the United States, over 12 million people have been infected (that’s 1 out of 20 people). Almost 100,000 new people are infected with hepatitis B each year. An estimated 5,000 Americans die each year from hepatitis B and its complications.

What are your sources that say 5,000 Americans die each year?

[observer]

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

Your source is vague.. tell me in your own written English what if "Im raising a baby in my apartment, how could it contract a blood virus like Hepatitis B?"

Department of Health, Victoria, Australia:

How is hepatitis B spread?

Hepatitis B virus is spread in the blood, sexual secretions or saliva of a hepatitis B infected person by:

sharing drug injecting equipment
sharps injury
sharing razors, toothbrushes etc
sexual contact
mother to baby at birth
child to child, usually through open sores or wounds
breastfeeding

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

What are your sources that say 5,000 Americans die each year?

The numbers come from the Hepatitis B Foundation, you didn't bother clicking the link as expected which sited the source.

Perhaps you don't want to be corrupted by the big corporations and governments. The people behind the foundation includes the support from Dr. Baruch Blumberg who won the Nobel Prize for his discovery of the hepatitis B virus.

More big conspiracies!

[CharlesInCharge]

Originally Posted by observer

How is hepatitis B spread?

Hepatitis B virus is spread in the blood, sexual secretions or saliva of a hepatitis B infected person by:

sharing drug injecting equipment
sharps injury
sharing razors, toothbrushes etc
sexual contact
mother to baby at birth
child to child, usually through open sores or wounds
breastfeeding

I dont see whats so difficult of you to say how my theoretical child would get infected.
First of all the mother connection is void when the mothers been tested.
The only thing you'd probably say out of the list is the child to child rubbing of open wounds... blood leaks out when one gets cut, if two children have massive wounds, they would have to be mashing those wounds together so that one gushing blood stream containing the virus (if that child happens to have Hepatitis B) would somehow have to enter the other childs blood stream while it too is gushing out.
How ridiculous of a scenario is this... no two children would even be able to coordinate their gushing wounds when in such pain.
This kind of occurrence is like a mediator falling into ones backyard pool... and not many people own swimming pools!

So do you still think my theoretical child could get infected somehow?

Originally Posted by observer

The numbers come from the Hepatitis B Foundation, you didn't bother clicking the link as expected which sited the source.

Perhaps you don't want to be corrupted by the big corporations and governments. The people behind the foundation includes the support from Dr. Baruch Blumberg who won the Nobel Prize for his discovery of the hepatitis B virus.

More big conspiracies!

Yes truly more conspiracies because the U.S.A's Centers for Disease Control has that figure at 1,700 with a constant dipping of deaths.

CDC DVH - Viral Hepatitis Statistics & Surveillance

[MG1]

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[twitchyzero]

CiC...do tell what's in it for the big pharma/govt and their hidden agenda...as stated preventative measures like vaccine programs account for a fraction of their revenue

kids sharing food/biting each other/nose bleeds might pose very limited risk of transmission...but why even take that risk in the first place? So when do you suggest people should have them administered? Teenage years?

[observer]

Originally Posted by CharlesInCharge

I dont see whats so difficult of you to say how my theoretical child would get infected.
First of all the mother connection is void when the mothers been tested.
The only thing you'd probably say out of the list is the child to child rubbing of open wounds... blood leaks out when one gets cut, if two children have massive wounds, they would have to be mashing those wounds together so that one gushing blood stream containing the virus (if that child happens to have Hepatitis B) would somehow have to enter the other childs blood stream while it too is gushing out.
How ridiculous of a scenario is this... no two children would even be able to coordinate their gushing wounds when in such pain.
This kind of occurrence is like a mediator falling into ones backyard pool... and not many people own swimming pools!

So do you still think my theoretical child could get infected somehow?

Your theoretical child would never get sick of any kind ever, as the condition is made up to suit your requirement; unfortunately, it doesn't happen in the real world and thus is irrelevant.

If sharing a tooth brush may pass the virus, children play and get scratched up all the time with bruises and cuts. Is it that hard to imagine? What makes you think so many children get Hepatitis B?

Given the option, if your child play with an HIV infected child, if taken a vaccine would pretty much eliminate the passing of the virus, would you still not do it for your child? No, simply because they are supposed to have no bodily fluid exchange therefore is not needed?

Of course, in your bubble, nothing happens, all mothers are also perfectly disciplined to screen for Hepatitis B too.

[russc]

Sojust to clarify... is it the Rothschilds, or the Repitilians who want to enslave our children through vaccines? For Zion!
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[mr_chin]

IMO, it's better not to get babies under the age of 6 or so vaccinated. This is solely my opinion because I think that the first several years is an important year for a baby's growth.

On the other hand, I think all children should get vaccinated at the age of 16 or so, especially when children become sexually active.

[Traum]

^^ Kids these days become sexually active so much earlier than 16... HPV vaccine, for example, is recommended for girls at 11-12 years old.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol this is how i see it

CiC is taking on a position that is always skeptical at the powers at be.

this topic may seem a little whack to the majority of you.

but let's say we switch to to NSA or FB/internet privacy (or just general privacy).
suddenly a lot of you will be protective of the self and skeptical at those powers... suggesting they might use it for evil, or out to get you, or it's better just to be safe to be invisible... even though the proof that they will target you, is just the same as the proof as any other skeptical conspiracy shit.

to me. that's the same thing. just the topics are different.

there will always be skeptics.

you pick which topic you wanna be a skeptic about. other than that, it's all the same.

[wstce92]

this is why we shouldn't let stupid people reproduce. the children are innocent.

[Ulic Qel-Droma]

lol, you say that now, until someone compares you to a genius and deems you stupid. then what?

[Soundy]

Originally Posted by mr_chin

IMO, it's better not to get babies under the age of 6 or so vaccinated. This is solely my opinion because I think that the first several years is an important year for a baby's growth.

And here we see another example of the core of the problem: uninformed, uneducated opinions that show no clue about immunology or how vaccines actually work.