Thousands of Chinese motorists could be driving illegally in Richmond

[SLiK786]

Originally Posted by z3german

On a side note, I wish we can somehow get RCMP to care more about highway left lane hoggers. They also need to suffer someway or another.

This. And Highbeamers. Grrrr.

[320icar]

Originally Posted by z3german

So have we decided to just talk about it and hope it gets better? I actually want to do something as a collective about it. I know there will be bad drivers everywhere fucking shit up, but if we could reduce the illegals as much as possible the chances of things going smoothly goes up.

Just this weekend I almost got T Boned twice. One idiot decided to reverse out his stall without even looking behind him. The other an intersection broke and was flashing reds on all sides (becomes 4 way stop) My turn to go, and this lady almost fucking blows through the light.

Its probably bias though, cause after reading this ICBC bullshit I feel I notice more bad drivers everywhere LOL

I'd be with you in picketing an icbc office, buy i am a mid 20's Caucasian male. Prime territory for being called a racist. Media is a brutal machine. As we've seen with the whole restaurant in north van that took $30, shit can get blown up soooooo quick. I've never hid who i am or where i work or what i drive. It would be so simple for someone to just tweet about me being racist against Chinese (in this situation) and hell i could probably even get fired.

Things aren't so simple anymore.
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[underscore]

Originally Posted by Marco911

Why shouldn't holders of foreign DLs be allowed to insure a car?

Well if they're running on a foreign DL presumably they don't live here, in which case why are they allowed to insure a car in a country that they don't live in? If they're coming over frequently enough to justify owning and insuring a car here they should be required to get a real license.

[z3german]

^Exactly, WHY?!

Is something brewing up? I am totes down to picket, Im down to volunteer to get petitions signed, I just want to make some change and make the system better for all. (Except the illegals)

[Tone Loc]

Originally Posted by underscore

Well if they're running on a foreign DL presumably they don't live here, in which case why are they allowed to insure a car in a country that they don't live in? If they're coming over frequently enough to justify owning and insuring a car here they should be required to get a real license.

I'm surprised CBSA has not pursued an investigation or made a comment. It would certainly raise some immigration-related flags in my eyes if there are foreign nationals from China who declare that they are only here for X amount of time, but is buying an expensive car and purchasing 1-year insurance for it...

[J-Chow]

Originally Posted by PARANOiA-R34

I'm surprised CBSA has not pursued an investigation or made a comment. It would certainly raise some immigration-related flags in my eyes if there are foreign nationals from China who declare that they are only here for X amount of time, but is buying an expensive car and purchasing 1-year insurance for it...

You mean Richmond?

or perhaps the foreign national who declares they are staying X amount of days to visit X number of kids studying here, then buys X number of expensive cars for their kids (and wife) and purchasing 1 year insurance for them.

[Marco911]

Originally Posted by underscore

Well if they're running on a foreign DL presumably they don't live here, in which case why are they allowed to insure a car in a country that they don't live in? If they're coming over frequently enough to justify owning and insuring a car here they should be required to get a real license.

1)You have to live or intend to live in a place for at least 6 months to be considered a resident.
2) You can't get a D/L in a jurisdiction unless you're a resident in that jurisdiction.
3) According to BC law, you can only hold one D/L at a time from the jurisdiction you're resident of.
4) If you are allowed to rent a car with a foreign D/L, why not own a car in BC and drive with the foreign D/L? (as long as kept under the limits required).

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Marco911

1)You have to live or intend to live in a place for at least 6 months to be considered a resident.
2) You can't get a D/L in a jurisdiction unless you're a resident in that jurisdiction.
3) According to BC law, you can only hold one D/L at a time from the jurisdiction you're resident of.
4) If you are allowed to rent a car with a foreign D/L, why not own a car in BC and drive with the foreign D/L? (as long as kept under the limits required).

Because owning a car implies you will be staying here for an extended period of time, and again if they're here long enough to justify buying and insuring a car they should be required to convert their license for the time they are here. If you're going to be here for an extended period of time, you're going to be driving on our roads more and the more time they spend on our roads the more important it is that these idiots actually possess a valid license.

I wonder what border services would tell them if they said they were only coming to visit but that they were planning on buying a car?

[Kalize]

You don't have to have a dl to own and insure a vehicle; immigrant or not
According to ICBC a passport/pr card/birth cert/bc id are acceptable for id, which is all they need.
Anyone can drive anyone's car.
The people driving must have a valid dl.
If you don't have a valid dl you shouldn't operate a vehicle regardless of who owns it.

[godwin]

Looks like Money trumps Law enforcement:

ICBC and RCMP come to agreement on foreign driver?s licences | News1130


ICBC and RCMP come to agreement on foreign driver’s licences
ICBC says Mounties won’t give out tickets as long as drivers meet requirements

Alison Bailey April 24, 2014 8:23 am

RICHMOND (NEWS1130) – It seems ICBC has gotten its way in a disagreement with the RCMP over how to deal with foreign driver’s licences in BC.

Mounties have been handing out $276 fines for several years, saying some licences can’t be verified. But ICBC has insisted the licences are valid because of allowances for new residents and visitors in the Motor Vehicle Act.

The insurance corporation says Mounties have agreed not to give out tickets to drivers who have licences that have been validly issued outside of BC, as long as the drivers meet the requirements of the Act.

The Motor Vehicle Act allows new residents to use their foreign licences for 90 days; temporary visitors can use them for up to six months.

ICBC says it will be working with police, sharing tools and expertise to help validate licences when a driver is pulled over.

Richmond RCMP have raised concerns about Chinese drivers licenses, saying there is no way to verify the licences because Canada and China don’t have an agreement to share information.

[z3german]

Chinese drivers' licences now accepted by B.C. RCMP - British Columbia - CBC News

RCMP in B.C. have reached an agreement with ICBC to stop ticketing drivers from China who are temporarily using their drivers' licences while in the province.

Richmond RCMP confirmed earlier this month they have issued tickets to drivers who produced drivers' licenses issued in China because they had no way of verifying the information because there is no agreement between China and Canada.

Now, ICBC says it will work with police to validate licences at the roadside, meaning visitors, students and new residents from China can once again use their out-of-province drivers' license on a temporary basis.

New residents will still have 90 days to get a B.C. drivers' license, while temporary visitors can use their out-of-province license for up to six months.

Students can use an out-of-province license as long as they are registered at an accredited institution.

I call complete utter horse shit.

I want full disclosure from ICBC as to exactly HOW they are validating these licenses. Anyone else think this is a shitty compromise?

[z3german]

God damn godwin, beat me by 2 min

[stewie]

How do the rcmp know if it's past their 30/90 days???
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[z3german]

Originally Posted by stewie

How do the rcmp know if it's past their 30/90 days???
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Now they know cause "ICBC will work with police to validate licences at the roadside, meaning visitors, students and new residents from China"

Yet it already is clear that China wont allow our government access their driver licensing information, so to me it says ICBC is just bullshitting, and will just bullshit. They will probably make them selves feel better by saying "Well if we just say its okay it will save the RCMP time from ticketing these guys so we are actually SAVING them time"

Im not happy at all

[multicartual]

Originally Posted by 320icar

It would be so simple for someone to just tweet about me being racist against Chinese (in this situation) and hell i could probably even get fired.

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I can say whatever I want, can't fire a porn dealer!


Feel your pain for sure, if you have a real job what you're allowed to say in this PC world is VERY LIMITED

[Tone Loc]

Originally Posted by stewie

How do the rcmp know if it's past their 30/90 days???
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This. Are Chinese motorists going to be forced to carry their passports and visas around while they drive? Gotta love another case of profits coming out on top over common sense and actual public safety. We all know that ICBC is behind getting Chinese FN's to drive because they insure (mostly) high-value cars and crash them all the time, aka more profit for the ICBC money machine.

And people wonder why some cops can be such dicks... imagine getting stonewalled at every turn when you are trying to do your job. Funny thing is, the next time a bunch of Chinese kids with foreign licenses are caught street racing on the highway, the media and ICBC are going to point fingers at the police for not doing their job and stopping the illegal racing, when they were doing so - and prevented - in the first place. Pathetic.

[GLOW]

Originally Posted by z3german

I want full disclosure from ICBC as to exactly HOW they are validating these licenses.

your disclosure is right here

[320icar]

yepp. thats about the level of bullshit i expect from a fucking corporation like icbc and the government.

[boibuddha]

So many questions left unanswered. Plus, I think substituting foreign drivers with Chinese is too much of a blanket statement.
Sure they make up the majority, but we're not racist here on rev scene, right?

How is this 90 days/six month time frame measured? From the date of the "translation" paper? Passports don't really work because some places don't require a visa.

Will ICBC still be scamming foreign drivers with invalid insurance? Of course, they will.
"Zero experience, $14 dollar baller car = $10000/year" said ICBC.
300 days later...
"Mr. Foreigner, I see that you had an accident today. Since your license is only valid for six months, ICBC will not cover you. " ICBC
"Aiya!? Why you sell me if insurance no work? "- Foreigner
"It's up to you to read the MVA, sir. "-ICBC
"But you still take money from bank!!!" - Foreigner
"Uhh??? *CLICK* " - ICBC

ICBC just changed the police motto from "serve and protect" to"watch and observe" with this so-called agreement. This situation can easily be solved proactively by ICBC but they refuse. Not allowing the sale of extended insurance would fix this.

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[stewie]

someone go get that woman "steele on your side" or whatever it is to do an interview with icbc.

id like to hear what they have to say when she asks them questions similar to what we've been asking.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Kalize

You don't have to have a dl to own and insure a vehicle; immigrant or not
According to ICBC a passport/pr card/birth cert/bc id are acceptable for id, which is all they need.

Err, how? You shouldn't be allowed to insure a vehicle in your name if you don't have a license to drive said vehicle. Unless you can now insure a car in your name with someone else as the primary.

Originally Posted by Kalize

Anyone can drive anyone's car.
The people driving must have a valid dl.

False, there are some restrictions on that.

Originally Posted by Kalize

If you don't have a valid dl you shouldn't operate a vehicle regardless of who owns it.

Well no, but clearly some arrogant dickheads are driving without a valid license from any country.

[ancient_510]

Originally Posted by boibuddha

ICBC just changed the police motto from "serve and protect" to"watch and observe" with this so-called agreement.

I hate to be that guy, but; Richmond, as all other RCMP detachments, have the motto "maintain the right"... as in "uphold the law".

[Marco911]

Originally Posted by underscore

Because owning a car implies you will be staying here for an extended period of time, and again if they're here long enough to justify buying and insuring a car they should be required to convert their license for the time they are here. If you're going to be here for an extended period of time, you're going to be driving on our roads more and the more time they spend on our roads the more important it is that these idiots actually possess a valid license.

I wonder what border services would tell them if they said they were only coming to visit but that they were planning on buying a car?

Lots of people keep vacation properties in Whistler or elsewhere. They spend a couple of weeks or at most a few months a year in BC and need a car to get around. Because they are not a resident of BC/Canada, they are not able or required to have a BC license. These people are free to use a foreign D/L by law.

[Jeebus4]

So why are these people exempt from needing an international driver's license, especially if they're coming from overseas. Not needing one to go into the states is understandable since we're neighbouring countries with similar driving rules and conditions and such. Not to say there are drastic differences in China and Canada, but there will always be some signage or traffic law that the foreign driver will not know.