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Old 06-21-2020, 11:09 PM   #28901
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Up to you whether you’ll dabble in rebuilt. 2013 fiat 500 abarth for $5000 how could you go wrong. I’d already be there if I didn’t just waste that much on carbon fibre parts

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van...140719387.html

Pretty sure it's not an Abarth. Only has single exhaust, wrong steering wheel and no Abarth badges anywhere.
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That's a turbo model, below the abarth
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I thought back in 2012/2013 they didn’t have the non-abarth turbo yet. My bad
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Old 06-21-2020, 11:33 PM   #28904
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^ more importantly, you just spent 5k on fibre?? Man you better hug your wife and let her know how awesome she is. All of my private modder money went straight to diapers etc when our first was born.. Now we have 3 kids and my family sedan accord is stock af to prove it
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Old 06-22-2020, 11:24 AM   #28905
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Well I mean... it wasn’t 5k per se been saving up on sold parts for a while. Carbon hood, fenders, few other bits etc etc.
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Abarth came out in 2013

turbo was 2014.

not a bad deal.
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Abarth came out in 2013

turbo was 2014.

not a bad deal.
isnt all abarth 500 turbo?
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I believe it is, but I think what the guys are referring to the "Turbo" is a specific trim model, just below the Abarth trim/model, being the flagship trim for the Fiat 500. They are different in their own ways.
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The turbo and the abarth are virtually the same other than exhaust, some badges and the rear subframe/suspension setup. So I’m confused about the one I posted. It’s either not a 2013, or it is an abarth and when rebuilt they used the cheapest parts available.

Either way, I forgot about the abarth. Definitely a car to watch for cheapo ones as a fun commuter
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oh man. loved my 13' abarth

one annoying thing that made the difference between the two cars was the intercooler set up. abarth ran a dual small side mount intercoolers while the turbo ran a single.

that in turn fucked with the turning radius. the abarth has a turning radius of a small boat....

abarth gains the Koni FSD shocks in the front, bigger brakes, nicer seats, forged wheel option and la piece de resistance: factory straight pipe exhaust.


i got pulled over by VPD way back when i first got it. cop said modified exhaust no muffler. made him google on his phone to show that it was standard stock issue exhaust. got away scott free and biker cop dude said sounded pretty gnarly for a tiny car...
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how reliable is an used abarth 500, assuming the average example probably gets beat on?
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Every article says fiat has a horrendous reliability record. But if you talk to actual owners (the ones I know) track their cars, and outside maintenance have had zero issues. So YMMV
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18K KM of hard driving.

only thing i had was a HVAC panel light bulb burn out and the brake rotors on the front were a bit warped surprisingly.

car goes through front tires easily, so a tire rotation should be done every oil change imo.
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Old 06-22-2020, 07:23 PM   #28914
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Every article says fiat has a horrendous reliability record. But if you talk to actual owners (the ones I know) track their cars, and outside maintenance have had zero issues. So YMMV
Consumer Reports only has enough data up to 2015 (sales figures drop off significantly starting in MY 2014), but the 2015 models had shored up most of the deficiencies with only Power Equipment and In-Car Electronics rating well below average and everything else average or better. Owner satisfaction also clips up from well-below average in 2012-2014 to below average in 2015.

The 2012 and 2013 model years seem to be god awful ranking well below average in engine, transmission, brakes, paint/trim, body integrity, body hardware, power equipment, and in-car electronics and below average in suspension.

Also, consider that the Abarth had a peak production of 3000 units/year for North America. Fiat sold about 196,000 500s in the US and 25,000 500s in Canada, so you're looking at maybe 15,000 Abarths of those 221,000 500s sold? The Abarth really isn't going to make a dent in comparison to base-model 500s in terms of reliability figures.

Same with any other model's high-performance/luxury edition (e.g. Civic Type-R, Focus RS, etc.) unless they designate it as a unique entity.
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Old 06-22-2020, 09:56 PM   #28915
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Pretty sure it's not an Abarth. Only has single exhaust, wrong steering wheel and no Abarth badges anywhere.
Good eye. I didn't even notice that and I also wasn't aware that they sold a turbo model.
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I’ve owned my 2013 abarth for 6 years now. The only issues? Front of the car loves rock chips and one of my interior map lights stopped working. Otherwise, it’s been completely reliable.
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Not a good buy for most of us I'm sure, but for those who care, this current owner bought it from an old neighbour of mine several years ago (99% sure it's the same car), who very rarely drove it (had it under a car cover for the almost 10 years I lived at home). It's in flawless showroom condition, Madeira Purple, genuine AC Schnitzer everything. I nearly bought it from him way back, but he was asking too much for it so I passed.

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/pml...147089685.html

Not sure what condition it's in now, but it was absolutely mint back then.

Also clean late-model 6spd TSX.

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van...146591772.html
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Horrible price, in my opinion (no offense to you, Akinari ).

Reason: I passed on a 2008 6spd TSX with 15x,xxx km for $8,200 from a dealer. I tried selling my own 2006 6spd TSX with 131,000km last year for $5,700 (clean title, no major claims, no work needed). Nobody took it. Ended up trading it to the dealer for $5,000+tax savings.

Having said that, his does conveniently come with a set of TSX wheels +great winter tires, has all service records+two owners, but I would pay no more than ~$6,500-7,000 for his car.

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1990 Honda Civic - $1650 obo. Deal Depends on how negotiable price is..... Im pretty sure that hood could just be buffed/polished

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Horrible price, in my opinion (no offense to you, Akinari ).

Reason: I passed on a 2008 6spd TSX with 15x,xxx km for $8,200 from a dealer. I tried selling my own 2006 6spd TSX with 131,000km last year for $5,700 (clean title, no major claims, no work needed). Nobody took it. Ended up trading it to the dealer for $5,000+tax savings.
That was my 2008 you were looking at. Really enjoyed driving it and happy it found a new home. Agreed $9k is rich for an '06.

Good luck on your search!

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Horrible price, in my opinion (no offense to you, Akinari ).

Reason: I passed on a 2008 6spd TSX with 15x,xxx km for $8,200 from a dealer. I tried selling my own 2006 6spd TSX with 131,000km last year for $5,700 (clean title, no major claims, no work needed). Nobody took it. Ended up trading it to the dealer for $5,000+tax savings.
<$6k sounds very fair...tbh manual fwd 4-door fetches less than people believe
i mean auto vs manual corvette, sure the price delta widens
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Not necessarily great deals but some interesting local cars:

2006 M3 manual with 85km

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van...147353363.html

Reasonably clean E92 M3 in decent colours and decent mileage

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/nvn...143218813.html

Always dug these old Acura RL's

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/bnc...133453256.html

Another pretty E92 M3

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/nvn...146992541.html

And a really pretty ISF. Probably one of the finer examples remaining minus the Grey one with 60ish km that recently sold to someone on here

https://vancouver.craigslist.org/rds...146497923.html

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^ that ISF... god damn.... the right year too, post 2010 came with Torsen LSD, but 2012 is the first year where the car was faster than the M3 around the ring...

Honestly... would be such a cool car to own, it is the right car for the right person.

I dont have the means, and not old enough to give up manual yet... (but mostly due to not having the means, looks @ wallet, looks at mortgage and 2 kids :smile
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I was shocked to be driving being a E92 M3 yesterday and he ripped it a bit in first gear and on decel there was so much blue smoke pouring out the tailpipes. Kind of sad for such a relatively new car. Not the first time I've seen that from those cars too.
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It's not sad. It's a feature and engineered by the finest in Bavaria. How rude!
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