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That's a more realistic price. These cars have been 45G locally for the past 10 years, the price hasn't budged. About the ad, did you notice it says fast intake but the intake in the pic is stock?
^ I don't even know how to answer that question. They are the same company? If anything, Lexus' have more things to break / go wrong. Most Lexus' have their Toyota counterpart, with the same drivetrain (maybe minor differences). So to assume Lexus' are more reliable than their Toyota counterpart just doesn't make sense to me.
A 2GR-FE V6 in a Lexus is still a 2GR-FE V6 in a Toyota. Not like one will be more reliable than the other due to the badge.
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Generally speaking, the reason why Toyota/Lexus vehicles are so reliable, at least the models that we get here in North America, is because they have unusually long product lifecycles (see "new" 2021 IS, GX460 still using a motor from 20 years ago (1GR dates back to early 2000s), the TNGA Camrys still use an updated 2GR that is based on a 15yr old design). Depending on how you see it, this could be a good or bad thing. The reason why they're so "reliable" is because all the unreliable areas the drivetrain have been addressed in the 10+ years or so the drivetrain has existed.
Of course, this is a massive blanket statement and overgeneralization of course. I've only owned one Toyota in my life, and currently a 2018 IS300 (RWD 2.0L turbo). Both have been incredibly "reliable", the former just burned oil almost at the same rate it did gas but nothing ever broke so to speak, and it was driven pretty hard. The latter had a wastegate vacuum regulator crap out which was fixed under warranty (but known issue and lots of reports of the replacement part crapping out several more times), which isn't surprising since the 8AR-FTS is a new Toyota motor, that will probably be used for another 10+ years in various applications.
I know the C-HR CVT has had transmission failures and such, I'm sure some of the other newer TNGA models have their weird first model year issues.
Not sure if any of the Dynamic Force 2.0L motors have any issues, if so, I haven't heard of any, as serious as say, Honda's oil dilution issues.
TL;DR Toyota/Lexus cars are reliable cause they like to use the same/similar engines in a car for 10-20yrs.
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At every 100k, half the car will need to be replaced.
And if it's an E9x, 3/4 of the car will need to be replaced. Can confirm, as this very much reflects my ownership experience
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^ I don't even know how to answer that question. They are the same company? If anything, Lexus' have more things to break / go wrong. Most Lexus' have their Toyota counterpart, with the same drivetrain (maybe minor differences). So to assume Lexus' are more reliable than their Toyota counterpart just doesn't make sense to me.
A 2GR-FE V6 in a Lexus is still a 2GR-FE V6 in a Toyota. Not like one will be more reliable than the other due to the badge.
Every time I step in to a Lexus dealership they advertise the below from JD Power. Last time I was in a dealership (years ago), Lexus was at the top.
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The most dependable brands (problems per 100 vehicles):
Genesis (80)
Lexus (100)
Buick (103)
Porsche (104)
Toyota (113)
Volkswagen (116)
Lincoln (119)
BMW (123)
Chevrolet (123)
Ford (126)
Mazda (130)
Cadillac (131)
Hyundai (132)
Kia (132)
Audi (136)
Nissan (136)
Acura (139)
Honda (139)
Ram (140)
Mitsubishi (146)
Mini (147)
Mercedes-Benz (152)
Subaru (154)
Infiniti (155)
Dodge (158)
Jeep (159)
Fiat (160)
GMC (162)
Volvo (185)
Jaguar (186)
Chrysler (214)
Land Rover (220)
By the way, Lexus and Toyota are not the same company.
The two companies are owned by the Toyota Motor Corporation, and a lot of their cars share the same chassis and parts.
But Lexus is considered a premium brand that has different styling and undergoes stricter quality control. Different company, higher standards.
I always assumed this is why Lexus is more reliable (dependable) than Toyota.
Generally speaking, the reason why Toyota/Lexus vehicles are so reliable, at least the models that we get here in North America, is because they have unusually long product lifecycles (see "new" 2021 IS, GX460 still using a motor from 20 years ago (1GR dates back to early 2000s), the TNGA Camrys still use an updated 2GR that is based on a 15yr old design). Depending on how you see it, this could be a good or bad thing. The reason why they're so "reliable" is because all the unreliable areas the drivetrain have been addressed in the 10+ years or so the drivetrain has existed.
Of course, this is a massive blanket statement and overgeneralization of course. I've only owned one Toyota in my life, and currently a 2018 IS300 (RWD 2.0L turbo). Both have been incredibly "reliable", the former just burned oil almost at the same rate it did gas but nothing ever broke so to speak, and it was driven pretty hard. The latter had a wastegate vacuum regulator crap out which was fixed under warranty (but known issue and lots of reports of the replacement part crapping out several more times), which isn't surprising since the 8AR-FTS is a new Toyota motor, that will probably be used for another 10+ years in various applications.
I know the C-HR CVT has had transmission failures and such, I'm sure some of the other newer TNGA models have their weird first model year issues.
Not sure if any of the Dynamic Force 2.0L motors have any issues, if so, I haven't heard of any, as serious as say, Honda's oil dilution issues.
TL;DR Toyota/Lexus cars are reliable cause they like to use the same/similar engines in a car for 10-20yrs.
And if it's an E9x, 3/4 of the car will need to be replaced. Can confirm, as this very much reflects my ownership experience
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^^ my old car. I bought it from the OG owners in north van in 2014. My tradition was to buy and sell an mk3 every ski season. This was ski machine for 2014/15. Sold it to an awesome dude who drove it all around BC. Bought it back from him, tossed a clutch in it and again put it into ski machine 2016/17 duty. I even kept it one summer because it was so good. Sold it to another cool guy who drove it for a year and passed it on to this owner.
If it wasn't covid time (and I wasn't secretly stashing the red ski corrado at my grandmas house) I'd buy it back just so i could say I put 4 ski seasons on it.
Rust free, and the boys have all added some sweet mk3 goodies.
I'd drive this thing to the moon tomorrow - you can't kill an ABA motor.
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Not necessarily a good or bad buy. But I think most of you guys would appreciate this car for what it is. Just love the spoilerless style and fat tires
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