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haven't driven the IS F but heard that IS F owners were disappointed by how normal the IS500 felt (despite imo having a better general chassis balance and feel) and that the LC F actually feel kinda special
That could be significantly because Lexus as an entity for all intents and purposes does not really exist in Japan, it's an image construct primarily for North Americans.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the LF-A and LC500 are the only 2 cars they ever sold under the Lexus badge in Japan, everything else got rebranded as a Toyota.
That could be significantly because Lexus as an entity for all intents and purposes does not really exist in Japan, it's an image construct primarily for North Americans.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the LF-A and LC500 are the only 2 cars they ever sold under the Lexus badge in Japan, everything else got rebranded as a Toyota.
Not anymore. That used to be the case but now Lexus is actually in Japan and has been for a while (you can check out how many Lexus stores they have on google maps). The products are a bit disjointed because they want to do global platforms and global cars but each market is very distinctive. The is500 seems very much a skunkworks project or an engineering fever dream where they try and shove that 2ur-gse engine into everything and anything that would take it.
Lexus builds the IS-F, owners complain suspension is too harsh
Lexus builds the IS500 with softer suspension, owners complain suspension is too soft.
Lexus =
IMO the real problem for the 500 is that the CT5-V Blackwing is like 15k more...
You get an available manual, ~600hp supercharged V8, drives like a sports car instead of a Lexus with a V8... and mag shocks that make the ride both soft and firm when u want it
available supercruise, giant OLED dashboard, and recaro pole position style bucket seats are just the cherry on top
I love the CT5-V Blackwing... love love love it... but it's hard to get and with ANY options it's well into the $120+ range I've built several of them... and nobody wants to take that risk on the car with the depreciation Cadillacs typically have and a little bit of the bad image the ownership has too.
Not the same car, but I ended up renting a CT4 in automatic for two weeks in Los Angeles and it was a great car. Like 68style said, the depreciation is tough to swallow.
I love the CT5-V Blackwing... love love love it... but it's hard to get and with ANY options it's well into the $120+ range I've built several of them... and nobody wants to take that risk on the car with the depreciation Cadillacs typically have and a little bit of the bad image the ownership has too.
I feel that even speccing the CT5-BW with an auto is a death sentence for resale value.
The CT4-V BW and CT-5 V aren't worth buying since they'll also depreciate like rocks.
I fully expect the last factory manual supercharged v8 sedan to hold a fair bit of value (the dummy resale value on 2G CTS-V Wagons suggests this should apply too)
IS500 is probably going to be one of those nobody bought it when it was new and then people will be looking for it as the last Toyota V8 sedan a few years from now and there won't be hardly any around
^Lightly-used LC500s were in the low-mid 80s during covid in 2020 before the market went crazy - a friend picked up a 2019 during that time and is probably still ahead.
I suspect used values for the IS500 will be bound between the IS-F and GS-F. I can see them hovering around $50-60k for a decent lowish mileage one given how long that Toyota Richmond unit sat for.
These don't come up for sale too often, I don't even know if this is good price. I guess it is if you're willing to pay ... 2013 AMG E63 MB Wagon, 63K kms, $53,900. If I had kids that need rides to soccer field or to hockey, and $55K, this would be it.
2013 E63 AMG Wagon posted a few hours ago. Excellent price given the low 65,000km and the rarity of the wagon version. As long as the carfax is clean or only minor claims it's a great buy.
Very tempting but just too similar to the car I already have and I have a slight preference to the naturally aspirated engine.
Rly ... in that case, not worth remotely close to asking price $55K. $37K ... that would be a good buy.
From posting:
Over the past 11 years and 65,380 kilometers, its had one left front corner repair for $8,127.00, one left rear repair for $2,299.89, a front center for $2,398.61, and one final left rear for $1,468.69. It is a clean title car!
Rly ... in that case, not worth remotely close to asking price $55K. $37K ... that would be a good buy.
From posting:
Over the past 11 years and 65,380 kilometers, its had one left front corner repair for $8,127.00, one left rear repair for $2,299.89, a front center for $2,398.61, and one final left rear for $1,468.69. It is a clean title car!
^ could that 2012 AMG E63 wagon be fake? From FB posting, it looks like a white fellow, a Matt Brown, in Richmond. I didn't know there were any ... except the mayor.
^ could that 2012 AMG E63 wagon be fake? From FB posting, it looks like a white fellow, a Matt Brown, in Richmond. I didn't know there were any ... except the mayor.
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