The John Norwich Riders Corner In honour of our fellow moderator: John Norwich R.I.P. September 17th, 2014
Buy, sell, trade bikes and gear, set up bike rallies, meet discussions. #revscenebikes | ![Reply](https://www.revscene.net/styles/darklight/images/buttons/reply.gif) |
05-26-2014, 01:11 PM
|
#1 | I am Hook'd on RS
Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: White Rock
Posts: 53
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Failed 0 Times in 0 Posts
| California Superbike School? The Ridge, Seattle
Hey,
Just wondering if other Vancouverites are planning on heading down to The Ridge for the California Superbike School. Anyone heard of it or ever been? There are tons of great reviews and I want to start tracking my bike. I think this will be a great experience... Bellow are the dates:
July 15 The Ridge Motorsports Park All Levels 475/675
July 16/17 The Ridge Motorsports Park 2-Day Camp 2450
The cost for just the one day training is $475, own bike, or $675, their bike (BMW S1000RRR)... SICK
Then, the two day camp, which I'm thinking of doing is $2450, with their bike. I know its expensive, but what do you think? Many say online that it is worth it.
|
| |
05-26-2014, 03:27 PM
|
#2 | RS Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: GTA
Posts: 29,616
Thanked 11,213 Times in 4,601 Posts
Failed 426 Times in 274 Posts
|
Hopefully CharlieH can chime in. He went to a riding school, I just don't remember which. Pretty sure it was California Superbike School because he rode on a S1000RR.
__________________ Quote:
Originally Posted by whitev70r When I had a 2 yo, attending those were friggin painful as hell. I rather get the Chinese water torture for 2 hours. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Badhobz excuse me, i would never date a mainlander... thats disgusting. | |
| |
05-26-2014, 04:00 PM
|
#3 | RS.net, where our google ads make absolutely no sense!
Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: earth
Posts: 943
Thanked 1,063 Times in 308 Posts
Failed 120 Times in 52 Posts
|
they give you a s1000rr to ride? wot?
|
| |
05-26-2014, 04:56 PM
|
#4 | Orgasm Donor & Alatar owned my ass twice!
Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Paradise, BC
Posts: 6,830
Thanked 6,522 Times in 2,629 Posts
Failed 253 Times in 139 Posts
|
So7nds to me like you are a newbie at MC track day. If that were the case, i would recommend you to do some local events at the Pitt Meadows / JIBC Integrated Training center first before heading down to the Ridge.
I no longer ride, so I am not intimately familiar with the details, but i know there is a group that regularly host MC mini "track day" events at the Pitt Meadow pad for a modest amount - i think it is only around $100 for a full day stint, and less for a half day thing. The good things about this local event are:
- it's cheap
- it's close
- it's your first time
- the pad is HUGE on a bike
- the pad is flat
That last point is the single biggest reason i think Pitt Meadows is more appropriate for you at this point. The Ridge has tons of elevation changes that makes te track immensely fun, at the same time, that correspondingly requires more riding skills. With you not having any prior MC track day experience, i am not sure if you have developed those skills yet.
|
| |
05-26-2014, 05:18 PM
|
#5 | I am Hook'd on RS
Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: White Rock
Posts: 53
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Failed 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
Hey, thanks for the response. Yes I have absolutely no track experience so far. I have been riding bikes for a while now though. I started dirt biking at a young age and have been riding sport bikes for 4 years now. I have had a CBR600RR and now, I ride a 848evo.
I'm a total newb when it comes to the track, but people say online that it is newbie friendly?
Also, thanks for letting my know about the local events, do they have coaches or guides at these events? The reason why I like the California Superbike School program so far is because they give you a coach and critique your riding. There is also some class time where they teach some theory. This is what i'm looking for... I want to improve my overall riding.
|
| |
05-26-2014, 05:35 PM
|
#6 | 14 dolla balla aint got nothing on me!
Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 683
Thanked 197 Times in 30 Posts
Failed 12 Times in 4 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by bcrdukes Hopefully CharlieH can chime in. He went to a riding school, I just don't remember which. Pretty sure it was California Superbike School because he rode on a S1000RR. | Charlie went to California Superbike School down at Laguna Seca Quote:
So7nds to me like you are a newbie at MC track day. If that were the case, i would recommend you to do some local events at the Pitt Meadows / JIBC Integrated Training center first before heading down to the Ridge.
I no longer ride, so I am not intimately familiar with the details, but i know there is a group that regularly host MC mini "track day" events at the Pitt Meadow pad for a modest amount - i think it is only around $100 for a full day stint, and less for a half day thing. The good things about this local event are:
- it's cheap
- it's close
- it's your first time
- the pad is HUGE on a bike
- the pad is flat
That last point is the single biggest reason i think Pitt Meadows is more appropriate for you at this point. The Ridge has tons of elevation changes that makes te track immensely fun, at the same time, that correspondingly requires more riding skills. With you not having any prior MC track day experience, i am not sure if you have developed those skills yet.
| I am neutral about starting out at Pitt Meadow. Pitt Meadow is cheaper and closer but if you can afford and go down to a bigger track, why not? You learn a lot more by attending classes at bigger tracks than local ones here in Vancouver.
__________________
1987 AE86
1999 Honda EK
2001 AP1 S2000
2009 Mitsubishi EVO IX
2009 Honda Ridgeline
2015 Subaru STi
2015 BMW F82 M4 |
| |
05-26-2014, 10:19 PM
|
#7 | Orgasm Donor & Alatar owned my ass twice!
Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Paradise, BC
Posts: 6,830
Thanked 6,522 Times in 2,629 Posts
Failed 253 Times in 139 Posts
|
I did a quick search and I am reasonably sure this is the Pitt Meadows MC track day that I was talking about : https://pittmeadowstrackdays.ca/
Their next event date looks to be Sat, June 28. Instructors are also available for extra cost.
One concern I'd have with you taking out your 848 Evo is, that 848 is a darn nice bike, and I'd hate to see you wiping out on it. To me, lowsiding on an MC at a track day is kind of like an eventuality, much like how how spinning out is something that will eventually happen when you autox often enough. It really isn't a matter of whether you will or you won't -- it's simply a matter of when. But hey, if that's what you have right now and that's what you want to track, by all means, go for it.
Regarding the Pitt Meadows vs Ridge school issue, I'll just draw a familiar analogy that almost every rider have heard before -- there is a reason a lot of veteran riders recommend newbies to pick up a 250cc learner bike to log some kms on before moving on to something bigger. A lot of riders think a brand new 600cc is perfectly ok to be a first bike, and they may be right. I belong to the camp that thinks a decent 250cc is more appropriate for new riders. It is your first bike, not your last. By the same token, it is gonna be the OP's first MC track day, not his last. So why not try something that is nice, cheap, close, and easy before heading down to the Ridge where a higher skill level is required? He is still going to have boatloads of fun, and there will be more than enough skills and techniques for him to work on at the first several outings.
|
| |
05-26-2014, 10:47 PM
|
#8 | Orgasm Donor & Alatar owned my ass twice!
Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Paradise, BC
Posts: 6,830
Thanked 6,522 Times in 2,629 Posts
Failed 253 Times in 139 Posts
|
Oh, I should also add that if you are interested in something closer to home, but more exciting (and higher speeds) than those Pitt Meadows mini track days, you should look into these guys: Westcoast Superbike School- Track Daze At Mission Raceway
Personally, I would rank their Mission Track Daze as the next step above the the Pitt Meadows mini track days. The bigger US tracks would come one step after.
|
| |
05-27-2014, 01:05 AM
|
#9 | Welcome to Planet Power ///M
Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,435
Thanked 2,979 Times in 527 Posts
Failed 167 Times in 59 Posts
|
I did the 3 day camp at Laguna Seca and it was a blast. On the contrary to what some may say, I think going to track days at mission and pitt meadows first would not be a good way to get started. CSS is first and foremost a school that teaches you the fundamentals of track riding which will make you an immensely better rider in all aspects. It's not a racing school (at least levels 1-4 aren't). Instead of testing the waters by yourself first without any real instruction, CSS has a very detailed and specific curriculum that will weed out and break any bad habits right from the get go. I didn't have any previous track experience before CSS but by simply following their drills I ended up going faster than I ever thought I could by the end of the third day.
My biggest gripe was the price, since the 3 day camp was actually around $3600USD + flight, hotel, car rental, etc. But I justified it because it was Laguna Seca and I figured it'd be a once in a lifetime experience. Getting my knee down on the 2nd day at the corkscrew was one of my proudest moments LOL
Last edited by CharlieH; 05-27-2014 at 01:11 AM.
Reason: vid wont embed dafuq
|
| |
05-27-2014, 11:48 AM
|
#10 | I *Fwap* *Fwap* *Fwap* to RS
Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: vancouver
Posts: 1,534
Thanked 1,273 Times in 275 Posts
Failed 19 Times in 8 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlieH I did the 3 day camp at Laguna Seca and it was a blast. On the contrary to what some may say, I think going to track days at mission and pitt meadows first would not be a good way to get started. CSS is first and foremost a school that teaches you the fundamentals of track riding which will make you an immensely better rider in all aspects. It's not a racing school (at least levels 1-4 aren't). Instead of testing the waters by yourself first without any real instruction, CSS has a very detailed and specific curriculum that will weed out and break any bad habits right from the get go. I didn't have any previous track experience before CSS but by simply following their drills I ended up going faster than I ever thought I could by the end of the third day. | Agreed! I took a course up here with West Coast Superbike School and also a day course down in Seattle at Pacific Raceways with 2-fast. I actually learned more in one day down in Seattle than I did all 3 days combined with the local school.
I think it was to do with the qualitative content in the way the course is structured and how they are better able to efficiently deliver their curriculum. They also take shit a lot more serious down in the states and there are a lot more hardcore riders. Up here the fast guys are just big fish in a small pond.
I started tracking on my 1098, Charlie on his S1000RR and we both enjoyed a phenomenal first 2 seasons. While a smaller bike may be beneficial to your learning curve, it is not an absolute necessity. You may find that after a while as you progress, the excess power becomes more of a crutch when you start to push the tires and actually try to ride the bike hard. Wheel spin was a huge issue for me, eventually I just couldn't efficiently deliver the power to the ground due to all the torque..
You're on an 848 though, and they race in the same class as 600cc inline 4's. That being said I think you'll be fine starting on the 848.
While I agree with Traum in many aspects of starting on a small bike, I'm also saying don't be discouraged to start on your 848. It can be done. I think a 600cc machine or anything equivalent to that will be a fantastic platform to start tracking on.
__________________
2004 E46 M3
2001 WRX STi (sold)
2003 Supercharged 350z (sold)
1991 R32 GTR (sold)
2000 Civic SiR (sold)
1990 Civic Si-T (sold)
1986 MK1 Mr2 (sold)
2005 GSX-R 750 (sold)
2003 CBR 600RR (sold)
2007 Ducati 1098 track (sold)
2009 Kawasaki ZX6R (track build)
Last edited by fT-z33wor; 05-27-2014 at 12:28 PM.
|
| |
05-27-2014, 04:56 PM
|
#11 | Welcome to Planet Power ///M
Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,435
Thanked 2,979 Times in 527 Posts
Failed 167 Times in 59 Posts
|
^
I'd like the record to show that I was too much of a pussy to ride the s1000 hard on the track so I got an R6 instead :3
|
| |
05-28-2014, 12:15 AM
|
#12 | Need to Seek Professional Help
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: .
Posts: 1,042
Thanked 1,051 Times in 265 Posts
Failed 120 Times in 37 Posts
|
Holy fuck this sounds amazing. I'm a bit inexperienced as this is my first season (and all my bikes aren't working)... does the school change tracks every year? Would I be able to do it next year at the ridge?
|
| |
05-28-2014, 12:27 AM
|
#13 | Welcome to Planet Power ///M
Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,435
Thanked 2,979 Times in 527 Posts
Failed 167 Times in 59 Posts
|
they hold the school at a variety of different tracks every year. willowsprings, NJMP, las vegas speedway, laguna seca, infineon raceway, etc. Superbike School :: Schedule |
| |
05-30-2014, 04:04 PM
|
#14 | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Cayman Islands
Posts: 2,945
Thanked 93 Times in 29 Posts
Failed 12 Times in 5 Posts
|
laguna all booked up.
Which one do guys think is better for first timer(so got to do the level 1 stuff) doing the two day program? Streets at Willow Springs or Las Vegas Motor Speedway.
__________________ LClock 1.62b pinkbaby(aka pinkbuggy): (_\._) :p |
| |
05-31-2014, 11:18 AM
|
#15 | Welcome to Planet Power ///M
Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,435
Thanked 2,979 Times in 527 Posts
Failed 167 Times in 59 Posts
|
streets of willow is a pretty rough track. it's quite bumpy and the road surfaces aren't very good. not too sure about vegas though.
|
| |
05-31-2014, 12:25 PM
|
#16 | 2-Wheelin' Mod
Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Burnaby
Posts: 3,404
Thanked 994 Times in 425 Posts
Failed 4 Times in 2 Posts
|
I drove Willow many years ago ... can't imagine that on a bike...
__________________ ROOGP
Long Live the King : RIP John (Gwilo)
|
| |
06-01-2014, 10:33 AM
|
#17 | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Cayman Islands
Posts: 2,945
Thanked 93 Times in 29 Posts
Failed 12 Times in 5 Posts
|
Thanks guys! I think I will just wait for laguna.
__________________ LClock 1.62b pinkbaby(aka pinkbuggy): (_\._) :p |
| |
06-04-2014, 11:58 AM
|
#18 | I am Hook'd on RS
Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: White Rock
Posts: 53
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Failed 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
I have also decided to wait for Laguna. Seems like an unforgettable experience. Thanks for all the great info everyone. |
| |
06-04-2014, 04:50 PM
|
#19 | Welcome to Planet Power ///M
Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,435
Thanked 2,979 Times in 527 Posts
Failed 167 Times in 59 Posts
|
CSS is pretty good if you're new to the track.
If you're somewhat experienced and are exploring the limits of things like trail braking for example, then Yamaha Champions Riding School is where it's at.
|
| |
06-06-2014, 02:27 PM
|
#20 | Rs has made me the man i am today!
Join Date: May 2007 Location: New West
Posts: 3,160
Thanked 1,341 Times in 557 Posts
Failed 206 Times in 108 Posts
|
i'm in cali but my bike and all my gear is in vancouver!!! |
| |
06-12-2014, 06:49 PM
|
#21 | I want to be a person and not an icon.
Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mugello
Posts: 4,179
Thanked 5,286 Times in 892 Posts
Failed 829 Times in 182 Posts
|
I have never tracked ![Frown](/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif) But planning to make Ridge the first :3
|
| |
06-26-2014, 09:24 PM
|
#22 | I *heart* Revscene.net very Muchie
Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 3,677
Thanked 623 Times in 355 Posts
Failed 20 Times in 17 Posts
|
I hope you pay the difference and use their bikes. Cause even on a slow speed lowside, your personal damage is gonna be a lot more than a couple hundred. Also I wouldn't worry if you're new to the track. It's much easier to learn new good habits rather than try to change bad habits. But most of all relax and just enjoy the experience. Just have fun and don't worry about being the fastest guy out there!!
|
| |
07-12-2014, 08:39 AM
|
#23 | The Speed Syndicate
Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Richmond
Posts: 3,116
Thanked 3,077 Times in 522 Posts
Failed 58 Times in 32 Posts
|
hoping a spot opens up on the 15th
__________________
TSS x Revscene Track Day Organizer
1991 Formula Red NSX - 3.2L ITB
|
| | ![Reply](https://www.revscene.net/styles/darklight/images/buttons/reply.gif) |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is On | | | All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:55 PM. |