The Official 2014/2015 Canucks & NHL Thread

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by Spoon

girls. and boys.

I have seen pictures of a new potential ice team uniform for the girls from an inside source from the summer. Assuming they end up using them, we shouldn't be disappointed.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by Tegra_Devil

and the canucks have been irrelevant with no stanley cup..........forever..

those participation ribbons must be cool though. dont listen to what your parents tell you....they arent special 'try hard' ribbons.



let me put this into perspective for you, since you dont seem overly knowledgeable:

Stanley cup finals appearances as the Calgary Flames: 3 Finals appearances, 1 stanley cup

Stanley cup finals appearance as the Vancouver Canucks: 3 Finals appearances, 0 stanley cups

.....so let me break this down The Calgary Flames have be a more successful franchise since they were put together in 1980, than the canucks have been since 1970. you have had an extra 10 years in the league, and youre still not up to par. Welcome to the big leagues though




/next

So your point is that the Flames have been more successful as a franchise because of what they did in the 1980s?

I sure hope you were born in the 70s or earlier so you at least had a chance to enjoy it because there hasn't been anything to enjoy since then except a single Cinderella run 10 years ago.

I'll take my (for the most part) annually competitive team, even if they come up a little short of the ultimate goal, than a team that does something of significance every 10-15 years surrounded by complete ineptitude ... clinging to a single Stanley Cup victory 25 years ago.

/next

[Majestic12]

So you're happy being the bridesmaid over and over again, but never being the bride? I'll take winning the prize once any day instead of clinging to division or conference banners, which in the end, mean nothing.

[jeedee]

Originally Posted by Tegra_Devil

if we put point differential in than im willing to go say $1000, sound good with u?

Deal.

Higher number of points in the standings = winning team (just to be clear)

[Tegra_Devil]

Originally Posted by jeedee

Deal.

Higher number of points in the standings = winning team (just to be clear)

Pm'd ya for details

[RRxtar]

i would much rather be a fan of a winning team that goes out and has a good chance to win every time but not quite have the luck and timing to win the cup.... over a team that has been mired in mediocrity its whole existence, with nothing to believe in for the last decade, but managed to win a cup 25 years ago. calgary has only been out of the first round once since they won the cup and more often than not misses the playoffs. who cares if you won a cup a generation ago if you're literally garbage every year since.

calgary is as bad (actually much worse since it has been so long) than carolina or tampa bay.

perennial competitor > one and done luck run

im not saying the canucks have the greatest track record, but my god is calgary a losing organization.

[murd0c]

Originally Posted by jeedee

Deal.

Higher number of points in the standings = winning team (just to be clear)

You still owe me $20 you prick lol

[Majestic12]

Ok, so if you want to take cup wins out of the equation, fine.

Take series wins out of it then. Because I can just as easily argue that Calgary didn't have the "luck and timing" to take it out of the first round in 1990, or in 2006 despite having some really strong teams, just as Vancouver didn't have the luck or timing to close the deal in 1994 or 2011.

If the Flames are such a poor organization, the Canucks are even worse. Calgary holds 123-87-33 against Vancouver all-time. Source

And independently, Calgary holds a 1491-1279-379 record, well over .500, for a win-loss differential of 212. Vancouver holds a 1415-1504-391 record, win-loss differential of -89.

Vancouver would have to win 301 more games to match Calgary's all-time win number to date. They'd have to win every single game for almost the next four seasons. And that's despite the Canucks being in the league for what, ten more years?

Yes, Flames suck right now, yes they've sucked for a few years now, and many years before too. But hey, the Canucks are far, far, far from a shining beacon of success. If Calgary is "a losing organization", Vancouver is "THE losing organization".

[jeedee]

Originally Posted by murd0c

You still owe me $20 you prick lol

for what

[CRS]

Better PM a mod the details if you guys want to ensure members have avatar changes or if you want a referee/mediator.

[Tegra_Devil]

Originally Posted by Majestic12

Ok, so if you want to take cup wins out of the equation, fine.

Take series wins out of it then. Because I can just as easily argue that Calgary didn't have the "luck and timing" to take it out of the first round in 1990, or in 2006 despite having some really strong teams, just as Vancouver didn't have the luck or timing to close the deal in 1994 or 2011.

If the Flames are such a poor organization, the Canucks are even worse. Calgary holds 123-87-33 against Vancouver all-time. Source

And independently, Calgary holds a 1491-1279-379 record, well over .500, for a win-loss differential of 212. Vancouver holds a 1415-1504-391 record, win-loss differential of -89.

Vancouver would have to win 301 more games to match Calgary's all-time win number to date. They'd have to win every single game for almost the next four seasons. And that's despite the Canucks being in the league for what, ten more years?

Yes, Flames suck right now, yes they've sucked for a few years now, and many years before too. But hey, the Canucks are far, far, far from a shining beacon of success. If Calgary is "a losing organization", Vancouver is "THE losing organization".

^^ what he said. I was unaware of those records

[jeedee]

Originally Posted by Tegra_Devil

if we put point differential in than im willing to go say $1000, sound good with u?

Cmon man...don't pussy out



Anyone wanna be the middle man lol

[Tegra_Devil]

Originally Posted by jeedee

Cmon man...don't pussy out



Anyone wanna be the middle man lol

awww muffin. if you were trustworthy you probably wouldnt be a canucks fan ahahaha

I wouldnt trust any of you fappers with following through with giving me my winnings

[Mike Oxbig]

Spoiler!

[Tegra_Devil]

^^ i dont get it....

[SkinnyPupp]

They are both shitty teams overall, and bitching about each other makes both fan bases look bad. Although a rivalry is always great, saying one team is better than the other, in this case, is kind of silly.

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by Big Earl

Spoiler!

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by Majestic12

Ok, so if you want to take cup wins out of the equation, fine.

Take series wins out of it then. Because I can just as easily argue that Calgary didn't have the "luck and timing" to take it out of the first round in 1990, or in 2006 despite having some really strong teams, just as Vancouver didn't have the luck or timing to close the deal in 1994 or 2011.

If the Flames are such a poor organization, the Canucks are even worse. Calgary holds 123-87-33 against Vancouver all-time. Source

And independently, Calgary holds a 1491-1279-379 record, well over .500, for a win-loss differential of 212. Vancouver holds a 1415-1504-391 record, win-loss differential of -89.

Vancouver would have to win 301 more games to match Calgary's all-time win number to date. They'd have to win every single game for almost the next four seasons. And that's despite the Canucks being in the league for what, ten more years?

Yes, Flames suck right now, yes they've sucked for a few years now, and many years before too. But hey, the Canucks are far, far, far from a shining beacon of success. If Calgary is "a losing organization", Vancouver is "THE losing organization".

And, again, I don't give a fuck that the Canucks sucked shit in the 70s and the 80s while the Flames were awesome in the 80s ... I wasn't even alive through most of that.

That was 30+ fucking years ago. It's like listening to Oilers fans and Leafs fans brag about cups they won before they were born. No one gives a shit.

Over the 5-10 years (aka recent history), the Canucks have been the FAR superior team and it's not even close.

You may find this shocking, but most people watch hockey for entertainment value, which winning plays a significant part in most markets (Toronto exempt). Why do you think ticket prices were sky-high in Vancouver when the Canucks were winning Presidents' Trophies and dropped through the floor when they sucked shit last year?

So, since this spawned from me saying the Flames have been irrelevant for the past 25 years (and jeedee saying they've been irrelevant since 2004), please explain to us how the Flames have been relevant over that time span (in other words, prove us wrong rather than just deflect it onto another target like a bitch).

Past 25 years (24 seasons)
Canucks: 16 playoff appearances (4 in past 5 seasons), advanced past the first round 9 times (2 times in past 5 seasons), 13 playoff series wins (4 in past 5 seasons), 2 Stanley Cup Finals appearances (1 in past 5 seasons), 2 Presidents' Trophies (2 in past 5 seasons), 9 Divisional Titles (4 in past 5 seasons).

Flames: 11 playoff appearances (0), advanced past the first round 1 time (0), 3 playoff series wins (0), 1 Stanley Cup Finals appearance (0), 0 Presidents' Trophies (0), 3 Divisional Titles (0).

[Tegra_Devil]

No need to get angry there buds. I can guarantee it isn't just the flames oilers and leafs saying your not a winning franchise. It's most of the league. Ya ur a tough team to play against. I'll give you that, but u are not a franchise with a championship. Ur one of those floater teams that has no finish. Yes, the flames haven't had any finish in a long time.

But ur just like 70% of the other fans out there. A greasy haired, mocha latte sipping hipster, who lets the world know how great they are but never actually accomplishing what an NHL franchise sets out to do.

It doesn't matter when cups have been won. It matters that the NHL had a storied history of great teams, teams that have made a name for themselves on Lord Stanley's Cup. And you good sir, are not one of those teams. I like to bug leaf fans, but in the end my team isn't nearly as storied as them or successful. I am a fan of my team and it's history, I am also a fan of hockey and it's history. Detroit dynasties, islander power houses, your Canucks are not in that history. Yes, your a team in the league, but so are the Florida panthers. Only true hockey fans cheer for their team as a 'Whole' not just the now. That's why Vancouver is known as a bandwagon team.

If it upsets u that I bring up the past...too bad. In your 40+ year history your team should have done something about it, but they didn't. So don't be a whiny baby lol

One day the Canucks will win a cup and u will earn ur place in history, and I guarantee that 20 years after that Stanley cup win, some
Fans are gonna be super proud of that victory and love looking at that banner hanging in the arena.

So If u don't like a passionate history, get the fuck away from hockey, u aren't a real fan.

[Teriyaki]

I vote for. Less chatter. More pictures of those Ice Girls plx.

[Not really racist!]

the annual who sucks more pissing contest

[AzNightmare]

Such a stupid pissing contest.
This is why I never take jabs at other teams or their fans, but only choose to support and criticize my own.

Everyone's going to have their own biased opinion on their favourite team.
And there's never going to be a clear way to determine a winner with all the different variables in defining the "better" team.
If you guys are going to bitch about it, at least break it down into categories.

[rsx]

Any thoughts on Ryan Johansen's contract? I'm due to set my keepers and I'd love to 'keep' him for the season, but how likely is it that he'll suit up come regular season?

It's either Johansen, Pominville, Schwartz, or Zuccarello...

[Ronin]

No way the Jackets let their best player walk after the best season they've ever had.

That being said, the kid isn't worth a $6.5m contract. Maybe more in the $4-4.5 range. I have a feeling an offer sheet might be on the way.

[RRxtar]

It's funny because the coach in your gif couldn't win anything in Calgary and won 2 cups in LA immediately after joining the team. Lol