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Old 07-11-2014, 01:49 PM   #51
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Trust me, if the sheiks wanted one of these they would have one, one way or another.

As far as this kit, it's all cosmetic parts so I'm not sure where you're getting this "mindset" of his.
By mindset I literally mean "Joy of Machine". That a car is more than the sum of it's parts and should be enjoyed as such. This is why you'll see many RWB owners at the track having fun. Many of these beautiful cars are driven both on the street and track. Sure it's mostly aesthetics...not like that shit is wind tunnel tested...but it does allow for a hell of a lot more rubber to fit under the fenders, which helps at the track:

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And puts you in the same class as all out race cars, and you've just got a poor body kit
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Oh good lord...

I just looked at this guy's site. Why on earth would you put a body kit on...well, what is essentially going to be a classic if not a classic already? I don't even like Porsches and I wouldn't do this.

I admit it's pretty cool looking I guess other than the exposed screws and rivets holding it together. I appreciate Japanese craftsmen like this guy that do work with exceedingly OCD attention to detail but wow, would you do this to an E-Type or a Ferrari 275? I imagine the 964 isn't a super rare car but still...
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By mindset I literally mean "Joy of Machine". That a car is more than the sum of it's parts and should be enjoyed as such. This is why you'll see many RWB owners at the track having fun. Many of these beautiful cars are driven both on the street and track. Sure it's mostly aesthetics...not like that shit is wind tunnel tested...but it does allow for a hell of a lot more rubber to fit under the fenders, which helps at the track:

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Against my better judgment, I thought I would add my two cents. (I also included a few photos that I've snapped over the past few years for fun) I can understand why people don't like RWB, it's unconventional and it marries two automotive cultures that don't always fit together. However, that being said I think that's exactly why I appreciate RWB.



I think part of the appeal of these cars is the niche factor coupled with some sense of exclusivity which sort of translates to it's "either you get it or don't" attitude. However, it's probably safer to say either you like it or you don't.





Yes, it's just a kit and some crazy offset wheels but I think a lot of the owners also invest in performance upgrades. At least the good ones do...



All that being said RWB was definitely backed by the right people/taste makers when it made its North American debut a few years ago which probably didn't hurt.
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It's 2014 rice is what it is, on an exotic.
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I think just in general Japan is the best when it comes to modding exotics.

Just look at how many Lambos and Ferraris are left bone stock in Japan. Not many.
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anyone know if RWB 911 will pass VI?
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It's 2014 rice is what it is, on an exotic.
What you say is "rice" is what I call aggressive elegance.

Ask anyone on Rennlist if they think the RWB is rice and they'll scoff at you.
I doubt you find any more knowledgable car forum community on the internet. They know they're shit straight up!

RWB is a polarzing eccentric masterpiece IMO. Would be the 1st car I buy if I win 6/49/lottomax/powerball
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What you say is "rice" is what I call aggressive elegance.

Ask anyone on Rennlist if they think the RWB is rice and they'll scoff at you.
I doubt you find any more knowledgable car forum community on the internet. They know they're shit straight up!

RWB is a polarzing eccentric masterpiece IMO. Would be the 1st car I buy if I win 6/49/lottomax/powerball
FYI, nakai san only builds one cars for hand full of ppl & im pretty damn sure your not gonna be on his list no matter how rich u get bro
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I think just in general Japan is the best when it comes to modding exotics.

Just look at how many Lambos and Ferraris are left bone stock in Japan. Not many.
not many are left bone stock is correct sir
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not many are left bone stock is correct sir
to each their own

I am bored of looking at car shows and Ferrari/Lambo owners clubs in Europe and America where they line up hundreds of bone stock Ferraris.
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typical lambo meeting in Europe/North America


typical lambo meeting in Japan
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who the fuck cares? can't we just appreciate the beauty of the work? holy fuck you guys are so damn judgemental.
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who the fuck cares? can't we just appreciate the beauty of the work? holy fuck you guys are so damn judgemental.
Car enthusiasts are judgemental in general. No cars are perfect so that's why we mod them. I know a lot of people would buy a Ferrari 458 Italia and drive it around stock, wash it and keep it clean and all that, but I think Liberty Walk 458 Italia is sick and much better than stock, even that there are some room for improvements.

Having said that, yes some cars truly are beauty of work like you said.
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I am bored of looking at car shows and Ferrari/Lambo owners clubs in Europe and America where they line up hundreds of bone stock Ferraris.
Problem is you are looking at them while other people are driving them. The fun part about cars is driving them.
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Problem is you are looking at them while other people are driving them. The fun part about cars is driving them.
I would say both.

A lot of people like working on their cars, modding them, customize it to their personality, etc.
Obviously, driving part is fun too but modding actually is equally as fun.

People can judge how Jap people modding their exotics saying it's not tastefully done or whatever.
But when I see bone stock Lambo and Ferrari, it makes me feel like those people just bought their car for luxury status, instead of having fun with it.
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I would say both.

A lot of people like working on their cars, modding them, customize it to their personality, etc.
Obviously, driving part is fun too but modding actually is equally as fun.

People can judge how Jap people modding their exotics saying it's not tastefully done or whatever.
But when I see bone stock Lambo and Ferrari, it makes me feel like those people just bought their car for luxury status, instead of having fun with it.
Being behind the seat is way more fun then looking at someone car online. For driving purposes modding in exotic is kind of pointless. You already have a ton of power and body kits don't really add anything performance or handling.
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HOLY SHIT!

THEY LEFT THE FUCKING DOORS UP!!

What an elaborate and almost transcendental example
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Being behiend the seat is way more fun then looking at someone car online. For driving purposes modding in exotic is kind of pointless. You already have a ton of power and body kits don't really add anyrhing performance/ handling wise.
If you're strictly talking about driving purpose, Mazda Miata and Lotus Elise will do much better job on the street.
Maybe Caterham Super Seven if you're looking for something more raw.

Sure, Aventador can do 0-60mph in 2.7 seconds and go up to 350km/h.
Has blazing fast paddle shift, electronic stability control, premium sound system, expensive leather bucket seats, etc.

But in the end Ferrari and Lambo are simply overkill if you're simply just looking for driving pleasure.
In summary I think a lot of people just buy them for bragging rights, status, luxury, etc.
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If you're strictly talking about driving purpose, Mazda Miata and Lotus Elise will do much better job on the street.
Maybe Caterham Super Seven if you're looking for something more raw.

Sure, Aventador can do 0-60mph in 2.7 seconds and go up to 350km/h.
Has blazing fast paddle shift, electronic stability control, premium sound system, expensive leather bucket seats, etc.

But in the end Ferrari and Lambo are simply overkill if you're simply just looking for driving pleasure.
In summary I think a lot of people just buy them for bragging rights, status, luxury, etc.
It's not over kill If you like driving. Caterham is a great car but what do you do when you are driving to Tofino and it starts raining?
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The are overkill in the sense that very few people have the skill to properly use a supercar. A very small number of supercar owners actually have the skills to properly utilize the cars potential.
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Automotive culture is like art. Everyone interprets it differently and that's what makes the sum of it all so exciting and progressive. I love it when people push the boundaries, whether I like the style or not. That's what help us define what we like and don't like. Or else this scene would be boring as fuck. Being critical just comes with the territory. I'm critical as hell but who cares what I think right? Seeing a person(or groups) passion for a certain style can help me appreciate it more. Just because I don't like it shouldn't matter. Passion is why we are all here isn't it?

Yes, it pisses me off when mainlanders(I'm generalizing but not far off I bet) daily drive Lambo's(which I hate anyway), etc just to look cool or for "face" as they call it. Are you that fucking weak that you need an exotic to make your self feel worthy? That's really my only gripe with this whole scene. But hey, maybe they've been dreaming of that shit since they were a kid and their wealthy family can provide that for them. Who am I to hate on that?

Kinda feel like I'm beating a dead horse here but whatevs.........carry on.
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