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PuYang 07-31-2014 03:36 PM
I PERSONALLY don't understand how one can even be in the situation of drinking and driving.

If you plan on drinking that night, don't drive. (Tons of ways to get to and from most locations).

If you drove and unexpectedly/unplanned ended up in a party or something, don't drink. How hard is that?

How could you ever be in a situation where you're like "damn, I drove today... oh well, I'll drink anyway".

Its really not a debate about "what decision did he make WHILE impaired". Its always been about "what decision did he make prior to drinking".

Clearly in this case, he made a dumb decision, there should be no argument about that.

BrRsn 07-31-2014 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by slowguy (Post 8510809)
that's the problem with this forum. everyone here is an angel and condone everything bad.
I sometimes feel that people who interpret all laws in their black and white form have lived really sheltered/reclusive lives

twitchyzero 07-31-2014 03:51 PM
not fair to judge someone who's had a drink or two and not trying to be a saint but

how much do you think he had to drink and how fast was he goingg at 4am to rear end someone and make tire marks across pretty much the entire midspan of a bridge?

nma 07-31-2014 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by freakshow (Post 8510803)
For better or worse, our laws are largely based on the consequences of our actions, not our actions themselves. So if you make the choice to drink and drive and get home safe, that is not the same as making the choice to drink and drive, and then end up killing someone.

IMO, it's a poor, if not flawed argument to say that because they chose to impair themselves and didn't know what they were doing at the time, they get a lesser penalty.

The problem is also related to semantics, no one wants to say someone 'deserved' to die, because who are you to say what people 'deserve'?
But who are you to say what people don't deserve? Additionally, many people think way to highly of themselves due to the entitlement and individualism of the culture.

If I drove drunk and killed someone's child/sibling/parent/provider/protector/lover, you know what, I probably do deserve to die. And if I get less than that, I should count myself lucky, and with a debt.
I actually hate it when lawyers use that as a case. I really don't believe that you deserve a lesser penalty because of unforced impairment.

You're right, everyone is entitled to their opinion of who deserves what. I'm perfectly fine with it if you think him or anyone really deserves to die, I just chose to share mine.

matter 07-31-2014 06:42 PM
Driver shown on CTV at 6

http://i.imgur.com/21BslYO.jpg

sekin67835 07-31-2014 07:00 PM
dam. he looks old enough to be a dad

underscore 07-31-2014 07:35 PM
Anyone with a license is old enough to be a dad...

twitchyzero 07-31-2014 07:56 PM
makes it worse that he's presumably in his 40's
at least his parents can't just buy him a new car (I hope not) as many of you were presuming

E-SPEC 07-31-2014 10:21 PM
Deport his ass back to China!

AzNightmare 08-01-2014 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by matter (Post 8510892)
Driver shown on CTV at 6

http://i.imgur.com/21BslYO.jpg
I have to admit... Didn't see that coming.

:pokerface:

noclue 08-01-2014 01:18 AM
hmm hope they took his passport so he can't flee.

The thought of getting my insurance void and being liable for all damages is enough to scare me to never drink and drive. Plus not being able to travel and get a criminal record.

Spidey 08-01-2014 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by E-SPEC (Post 8510964)
Deport his ass back to China!
I may have missed something... but how do we know he isn't a citizen, besides sterotypes... which obviously was accurate earlier on in the thread about the suspected age of the driver...

MarkyMark 08-01-2014 07:53 AM
While I think saying he deserves to die is a bit extreme, driving drunk and on top of that driving like an asshole going so fast you kill someone by rear ending them, he should do hard time and lose his license for life. This should really be a one strike and you're out offense. You'll have plenty of time to think about what you did when you're riding the bus after you get out of jail.

Traum 08-01-2014 08:41 AM
From the picture above, it looks like the driver is of Mainland Chinese descend -- most likely a person that immigrated from Mainland China. Unfortunately, for a lot of Mainland Chinese folks, they either

1) don't give a flipping damn about drinking and driving
2) have absolutely no awareness of the consequences of drinking and driving

Even just a few years ago, drinking and driving is extremely common in Mainland China, and especially among those businessmen / officials during their business dinners / night outs. The practice has become slightly less common as a result of government crackdown, but the mentality probably never really changed among the people themselves.

trollguy 08-01-2014 08:57 AM
Is that why he doesnt appear to even look somewhat remorseful?

schnitzer 08-01-2014 09:11 AM
how is it even possible to rear end someone on Granville bridge at 4am? was the Del Sol stopped?

Traum 08-01-2014 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by slowguy (Post 8511085)
Is that why he doesnt appear to even look somewhat remorseful?
I don't know, and I don't want to make any speculations as to why the driver may or may not look remorseful at all. The combination of factors involved is making me quite upset and disgusted, and I don't want to say anything that I will/may regret later, so it's better for me to just keep my mouth shut on this.

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Originally Posted by schnitzer (Post 8511090)
how is it even possible to rear end someone on Granville bridge at 4am? was the Del Sol stopped?
I am purely guessing and making things up here -- suppose the del Sol was driving along at 60km/h, and the AMG CLA is doing 160km/h? That's an easy 100km/h impact. I am not an ICBC claims adjustor, but I would not be surprised to see a 100km/h impact doing that kind of damage to an EG del Sol. That generation of Civics weren't particularly well known for their crash worthiness...

meme405 08-01-2014 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by slowguy (Post 8511085)
Is that why he doesnt appear to even look somewhat remorseful?
Keep in mind he was drunk at the time. So that's not really fair to say he isn't remorseful because of the stupid look on his face (he does have a pretty stupid look on his face).

If he really isn't sorry, and doesn't understand the tragedy which was entirely his stupid fault, then this guy is some sort of monster. It would basically put him right up there with any murdered or serial killer.

twitchyzero 08-01-2014 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8511081)
Unfortunately, for a lot of Mainland Chinese folks, they either

1) don't give a flipping damn about drinking and driving
2) have absolutely no awareness of the consequences of drinking and driving

Even just a few years ago, drinking and driving is extremely common in Mainland China, and especially among those businessmen / officials during their business dinners / night outs. The practice has become slightly less common as a result of government crackdown, but the mentality probably never really changed among the people themselves.
few months back I met a Mainland Chinese man in his 50's who told me casually and borderline jokingly that he got pulled over by RCMP, and spent the night in the drunk tank :rukidding::heckno:

westopher 08-01-2014 09:57 AM
Just for the record, if all these arguments are referring to me saying "he deserves to die" I merely said he should kill himself. I don't think highly enough of myself to believe that I can determine what someone "deserves."

trollguy 08-01-2014 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by meme405 (Post 8511093)
Keep in mind he was drunk at the time. So that's not really fair to say he isn't remorseful because of the stupid look on his face (he does have a pretty stupid look on his face).

If he really isn't sorry, and doesn't understand the tragedy which was entirely his stupid fault, then this guy is some sort of monster. It would basically put him right up there with any murdered or serial killer.
That is true too.

HOWEVER, given our very very strict drinking laws, do we know how drunk he actually was?

dangonay 08-01-2014 10:14 AM
So now that we know the driver is older, what does that do to the arguments like "I'm sure you've never done something stupid when you were young" comments?

Should someone who's 18 and hasn't learned yet get a different sentence from someone who's 40 and should know better? Should young people be given a pass just because they're "young and dumb"?

Traum 08-01-2014 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dangonay (Post 8511116)
Should someone who's 18 and hasn't learned yet get a different sentence from someone who's 40 and should know better? Should young people be given a pass just because they're "young and dumb"?
Judges already do this when they are doling out the penalty. If the perpetrator is younger and/or have a better (ie. cleaner) background, they tend to get a lighter sentence.

dared3vil0 08-01-2014 10:35 AM
Late to the discussion, but the people using the whole "it's just a horrid mistake, it's not like you've never made a mistake"

You're right, i've made plenty of mistakes, the difference? Mine didn't end up with an innocent person DEAD.

E-SPEC 08-01-2014 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Spidey (Post 8511063)
I may have missed something... but how do we know he isn't a citizen, besides sterotypes... which obviously was accurate earlier on in the thread about the suspected age of the driver...
That Delsol could have been me, my wife and our baby, and the baby would have been killed more than than likely. Get him the fuck out of the country or in Jail. Look at him in the pic also. Looks like he doesn't even care what he just did. I would be hysterical i'm pretty sure.


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