yes ur still slipping the clutch but no where as bad as reving the engine then letting go the clutch to slip it, or using the ebrakes to hold the car n slipping the clutch to overcome the ebrake force then releasing the ebrake

yeah i'm a bit confused with what topec is saying too :confused:

at most, i've been able to modulate the clutch without gas to almost hold the car on the hill and then give it some gas and let out the clutch normally. it's easy with a v8 mustang, but a 4 cyl tercel not so much

Every time I sit down, clutch in and start the car, i forget about all the worries i have for the day, and just focus on me, the machine and the road.

That being said, I hate how it only has 140hp, but being able to control every aspect of the machine is pretty satisfying. I can't imagine how fun it is to row 6 gears in a car with 350+ hp

there is some give and take. when i had my type-r, it was all about redline and fast shifts to keep it within vtec otherwise i was dead in the water. but the car did everything right and the transmission was great so i was always finding enjoyment in that. with the mustang i don't have to go to redline and there is torque everywhere which is addictive... but the getrag isn't known for being slick and smooth like a honda transmission, so it can be frustrating when it starts to bitch.

No matter how fast your reaction time is moving from brake to gas pedal, there is a brief moment where the car will roll back. The steeper the hill the harder it is on the clutch.

Not saying that starting from going up a hill without ebrake is wrong or not wrong. I prefer to remove as much of a chance for rollback as possible as well as any added wear to the clutch as long as I can help it. Over time, that tiny added slipping with the little bit of roll back does add up.

Using the ebrake will virtually eliminate roll back between the time you take your foot off the brake and when you apply throttle (if your ebrake is in good condition and your ebrake cable has good tension) so why not?

Either way it's fine if you don't stall or hit the guy behind you. It's just my preference to make use of the brake on an uphill rather than have just a little more cumulative wear on the clutch where I can help it.

i still use the e-brake when i have to park on the hills of new westminster. it's been years of driving stick and it still freaks me out trying to parallel park on some of the cobblestoned streets :o

the only wear to depressing the clutch for an extended period of time is with the throwout bearing. After 24 years of use, my original TO bearing was still good to use. they're pretty tough so i think "extended period of time" here would be like...10 minutes imo

I tried the e-brake method when I first started driving manual. Stalled the car. Never done it since.

The ebrake method is okay when you're learning or in a really tight spot on a steep hill, but for normal driving you shouldn't need it. You've got to abuse a clutch pretty badly to wear it out, way more than what a few hill starts will give it.

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where's a nice parking lot in vancouver with a decent incline to practice without holding people up? can only think of walmart grandview hwy (but it's not very wide)

Fuckin giver on the main roads, nothin to it but to do it!

I don't go to Walmart enough to know what kind of incline is there, but the Canadian tire underground has inclines. The exit on skeena, the big ramp in the middle to go between underground and aboveground parking. Also the entrance from skeena to aboveground where the Boston Pizza is.
Or if you want to stay in that area. Then go in the side streets that lead onto Broadway, like by the bc liquor store. Fairly steep and minimal cars around.

@R1CED if you're learning hill start, I found an empty side street next to a park last month and and drove up and neutralled/reversed down (this way, I didn't need to do 3 point turns)
If you want open road and some incline, how about SFU or BCIT parking lot?

Boundary and Hastings!

Are you bringing someone with you who knows already? It’s all about friction point and being able to hold it on the clutch. That’s how I was taught; total game changer.

I learned at SFU Burnaby's parking lot. Nobody's there on weekends.

Taught my friend at Annacis Island. There are slight hills there and enough room to learn to drive comfortably.

Alley ways are usually pretty good

filthy casual question: i believe by law you're to always be in gear whenever in traffic, but I came across the vehicle's owners manual which says to only clutch in during shifting to avoid unnecessary wear

do most just leave it in N if they know the vehicle's gonna be stationary for more than few seconds?

feels bad killing left-turn lights

I usually leave it in Neutral at lights. Can't really go anywhere in bumper to bumper traffic anyway to avoid something.

I'm pretty aware anyways and always look at the lights and count downs and anticipate when it's going to start to change so i don't have to rush to put it in gear. There were a few times where i wasn't paying attention when the light turned green and i couldn't get it in to gear for whatever reason. Ended up slipping the clutch to get going lol..

If you left your foot on the clutch pedal then you'll get cramps for sure.

What do you mean by slipping the clutch to get going?

In 1st gear after the biting point, I inverse the foot movement of the clutch and gas pedal for a smoother gear change. Is that "slipping the clutch"?

Clutch in at light is recommended for the lowest common denominator of driver, just like going 50.

N at stop lights for me, been driving manual for 15 years and never had a single issue. Always been paying attention at stop lights even when stopped, how long does it take to get going from a stop in neutral? 0.5 seconds max, still get going faster than automatics.

Ever seen someone launch a car into the back of another car because they accidentally let go of their clutch after holding onto it for 3 minutes? I have, lol

Do you guys add gas before the clutch is fully released when upshifting to 2,3,4,5? or is that considered riding the clutch?

Right now I'm adding gas when the clutch is like 80% released, but I'm not sure if this is considered pre-mature wear on the clutch


edit: I've been watching a lot of youtube videos and I can't seem to find a definitive answer

Yes, you should be adding gas before you completely release the clutch. That should apply when up shifting to any gear.
Assuming 80% released is where your bite point is, ease out the clutch gradually as you gradually apply gas.


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Btw, I always recommend this channel to whomever is learning how to drive manual:


IMO, he has the best tutorials and takes his time going through the different scenarios, including not minding to stall or lug his motor just for demonstration purposes.

you're not that far off from what i had in mind.

if you keep going north on boundary it will terminate at fellowes:

https://scontent.fcxh2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...88&oe=5D1F311B

it's not as steep as boundary and hastings but its got less traffic and you can circle back for another try:

https://scontent.fcxh2-1.fna.fbcdn.n...88&oe=5CE236C0

... just a suggestion.