Because all M3's are the same. In the same way that his 996 C4s is the same as the proper porsches like the GT3. :lawl:

Please.

E30 M3 is still God's Chariot.

God uses his gt3 to get groceries because he doesn't want to take the chance of his e30 m3 getting a door ding.

Marco, is your car an auto or a manual?

You also said it was a proper Porsche- Was assuming RWD...

I couldn't find the stats for the E46 M3 (OP's car). However, the e90 m3 is faster but still slower than the 997 C2S, hence proving my point.

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So it takes a limited edition M3 with less than 2000 copies made and only passing euro regulations to be 1 sec faster than a 997 C2S which every trophy wife is puttering about yaletown in? Lol. That shows how the 3 series is a far lesser car than a 911.

Take a closer look at the hood emblem. :pokerface:
http://bcrdukes.com/wp-content/uploa...ariot_pcar.jpg

:facepalm:

Considering your previous comments on the M3CSL and this one, context pwns you.

Waited for Marco to make is appearance in this thread.

Did not disappoint.

:lawl: too bad he was 9 pages too late

I disagree. BMW has lost a lot of my respect over the last 20 years. There is so much cost-cutting that the cars have lost a lot of their character. BMWs are a lot more about marketing hype than substance today. 3-Series, Audi A4, C-class they all drive the same, with dead steering and over excited electronic nannies that intervene early to reign in the fun.

The 911 is an iconic sports car and Porsche knows that they have to respect tradition with each new model. When moving to electric steering, they spent a lot of time to develop their own system because they know that the 911 is the benchmark for steering feel and the other electric steering systems used by BMW et al are crap.

With regards to performance numbers and times:
The '14 BMW M4 ring time is: 7:52s
The 991 Carrera S time is: 7:37.90s and it has 30 hp less than the M4.

That's a significantly better time, and you better bet you can feel that difference when you drive the cars.

Fact of the matter is that you can't take a mainstream car like the 3-Series and expect it to perform or feel like a car that has been engineered from the ground-up as a sports car.

As much as I hate to admit it, he does have a point here.

need more popcorn... :joy:

"You can certainly feel the firmness of the chassis, and the weight balance through corners and the feel of the road that is transmitted through the seats and steering to your butt and shoulder blades. That requires a tremendous amount of engineering know-how to transmit effectively."

sounds like an accurate description of a horse and buggy

I think the only thing to take away from this thread is:

TO EACH, HIS OWN.

A GT3 is a car built with a very specific customer in mind and Jason seems happy to admit he may not be that customer despite having bought one - that should not take away from any of the awesomeness that is a GT3, and certainly does not mean 'shitty cars are better'

When I grow up I want to be jasonturbo :concentrate:

Most of the posts here are about people trying to make themselves seem smarter than others.

Love how the itr is still being compared with modern high powered rwd cars. The car is almost 20 years old, and it's still amazing :thumbsup:

http://www.dpccars.com/gallery/var/a...f?m=1388434828

Such a wonderful thread, went from discussing how more attainable vehicles can be just as much, if not more fun on the street than expensive cars... To arguing about ring lap times and the best chassis etc.

You guys are entitled to your own opinions, but you aren't entitled to your own facts. ;)

Officer's, we have a bad ass and rebel here! haha. You just proved again you are speaking out of your ass, I don't care you drive "outside the confines of the law", you still cannot push your car to the limit on the street.

Is that why you traded your GT3 for the poseur AMV8?

Yes, I have pushed my 911 hard enough to explore its vast capabilities.

yep, I am poseur driving my AMV8 and loving it. Why don't you grow some balls and come out to a Revscene meet and say the same things you do on Revscene? I forgot you like to hide behind your keyboard.