^aka no I have not! Lol! So all your opinions about the f80 m3 is from what you read. I will remember to take your POV seriously....:hotbaby:

was gonna get a new 911, but after reading marcos posts i have decided not as he give porsche owners a bad rep

No, it was another RS member.

Your lack of attention to detail gives humanity a bad rep.:hotbaby:

We could play the hypothetical game all day long. Fact of the matter is the 911 has always performed better than Caymans. :jiggy:

Wow, you can watch a video, I am impressed. I don't think anyone is disputing the 991 is a superior performance car vs f80 m3. What is laughable is that you have never driven a f80 m3 and give feedback from only what you have seen or read. That is the equivalent of watching Paris Hilton's sex tape and telling us how great of a blowjob she gives lol!! :hotbaby:

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Actually, your old MR2 was notorious for snap-oversteer. That could be fun I guess.

Fast cars vs. slow cars are a different kind of entertaining. At least in a Porsche you get great sounds, great feedback, great looks, great (leather) smells and great G-force sensations. Even in lesser cars, you have to break the law in order to get to the edge of the performance envelope.

Where did you read that Marco? Hahaha!

So rather than dispute my argument with points/references of your own, you use a non-sequitur? I suggest you look that term up. :toot:

I doubt driving an f80 M3 would make me change any of the points I made on it vs. the 911. ;)

You would need to have a severe spinal injury not to be able to feel the difference between driving a 911 and an M3. They are very different cars.


There's nothing wrong with thrusting from the back. :ratedb:

That describes BMW drivers more than Porsche 911 drivers. You still have to give up a lot of practicality to have a 911, and they are expensive!

Hmm, I guess that analogy fits.

Actually, you and Westopher were. I'm still waiting for references that a novice driver can extract more performance out of an M3 than out of a 911.

No, it's more like you arguing that global warming doesn't exist because you experienced more snow and colder temperatures in your back yard. You've ignored the large body of evidence that suggests otherwise. ;)

I never said the m3 was a better car than a 911 nor did z3guy, I merely said they were comparable. I know a 911 is going to provide a better driving experience, however it's not exactly worlds apart like you seem to believe not is it necessarily worth 1.6x the price depending on your finances.

You said they had comparable performance on a track.

The 911 is a sports car. The NSX is a sports car. The LS-F is a sports car. The M3 is a sporty car. The G37 is a sporty car. They are not comparable.

The M3 should be compared to the C63, IS-F, and Cadillac CTS-V, Audi RS5.

The 911 is a purebred, not a souped-up family car.

What the hell are you smoking to put an ISF (assuming you meant ISF as wtf is LSF?) in the same category as a 911 and an NSX, then think an M3 is in the same category as a G37? :derp:

The gap between a 3 series and an M3 is much larger than the gap between an ISxxx and an ISF.

How much closer do they have to be to call them comparable? <4% difference in lap time is pretty damn close.

Did you get that from the brochure?

I'm guessing Marco924 meant LFA as being a superduper car.

Is that why they market it as a car for dropping off the kids at school, going skiing or for the performance enthusiast? Kind of like what an M3 is marketed as?

God, why am I getting sucked into this shit?

You must be confusing the 911 for a Panemara. The 911 has always been for real men like me.

Guess I'll feed the troll


That don't look like a Panamera to me. :shrug:

I was waiting for the "Porsche: for real men like me" slogan but alas, they must have cut that part of ad out.

Terrible ad. The ad company probably looked at the 911 demographic which I would say is about 90% men and thought they could sell more of them if they market towards women. Most of the ads now are targeted toward their core owners.

JThe M3 is dead to me. Engine noises through the stereo and dead steering. A driver's car is supposed to be about the communication between the driver and the road. If you have the chance to own a 911, I can't see why anyone would consider the M3. The M3 isn't in the same league as the 911 but I understand why BMW fan boys would want to compare them.

Regarding your point about 3% difference - when time on the Nurburgring is measured down to the 100th millisecond, a 14s gap means that the 911 delivered an ass spanking to the m4.

:facepalm:

It doesn't matter what accuracy it's measured to, 14s is only 3.2% (or 3.20000000% if that helps you) and no matter how you cut it that is not a significant amount of difference. Especially when you're paying 160% (or 160.00000000%) more for that 3.2%.

If you are worried about that 3.2% though, the Corvette C6 Z06 posted a 7:22.68, a gap of more than 15s over the 911 at only 68% of the cost, and it's definitely a "purebred" car, not one built up from a "normal" car (since that seems to concern you so much).

Slower cars can feel more dangerous and provide more thrills at a lower speed

How the fuck did that ad get approved? Seriously that was slightly less bizzare than showing a bunch of chicks sitting around in evening gowns talking about motor oils and their favorite pale ale