Winter tire discussion for grown ups thread.

[whitev70r]

I had snow tires in the 9 yr DOT range and the rubber got really hard. So yah, about 7 yr life is a good principle +/- a yr or 2 at most.

[68style]

I guess before the idea of 7 years became popular in the last 10 years we were all just driving around on ice skates then, who knows how many died.

That said I wasn't really talking about snow tires, wrong thread I guess that's my bad

[underscore]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

A 2015 production tire will be less flexible, less grippy and less durable overall than say, a 2022 production tire, thanks to the rubber hardening and aging, and it is a noticeable difference.

All else being equal, sure. But loads of people are rolling around on such janky crap that the tire compound being in sub-optimal condition due to age is the least of their concerns. A 2015 winter that actually has tread will do a lot better than the bald all seasons they currently have on. Every time I've sold a set of crappy tires that I price and advertise as rollers/the value is in the rims someone shows up on something way shittier and says they're going to be using them.

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Especially snow tire .. I mean show tire… I mean snow tire people

you should work in PR or marketing or something. They are squandering your talents at the port.

Good 'ol smear campaigning, slowly but surely undermining the winter tire movement. Casting seeds of confusion and doubt.

You are making me want to toss my Viking7s and run back into the warmly eyebrowed embrace of CC2.

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by underscore

All else being equal, sure. But loads of people are rolling around on such janky crap that the tire compound being in sub-optimal condition due to age is the least of their concerns. A 2015 winter that actually has tread will do a lot better than the bald all seasons they currently have on. Every time I've sold a set of crappy tires that I price and advertise as rollers/the value is in the rims someone shows up on something way shittier and says they're going to be using them.

I'm not casting any shade on you - I was just arguing with 68style regarding his opinion that "tire age doesn't matter".

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

I had snow tires in the 9 yr DOT range and the rubber got really hard. So yah, about 7 yr life is a good principle +/- a yr or 2 at most.

I had a similar experience with my winters - I bought a used set off someone and by year 8 and 9 it had lost a lot of grip. Traction was still ok but it sure felt greasy and rock hard by the time it reached that stage. It creeps up on you but when you get the new ones on it's almost shocking how much more grip you get back even on dry/wet surfaces.

[sonick]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

I think that a winter tire is more likely to require 10/10ths performance than performance tires for a regular person, actually - especially for braking and cornering. Joe Schmoe is more likely to hit the traction limit of that winter tire braking down a steep icy hill vs Randy Racer with his PS4S on a nice summer day. That extra bit could be the difference between a controlled stop, or hitting another car.

A 2015 production tire will be less flexible, less grippy and less durable overall than say, a 2022 production tire, thanks to the rubber hardening and aging, and it is a noticeable difference.

TBH I did not notice significant degradation in the tire when I ran them last year but figured since I live in a hilly area and my driveway is steep AF, probably better off to not cheap out on risking them another year and getting a new set.

The DOT on my new Conti's are from earlier this year

[68style]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

I'm not casting any shade on you - I was just arguing with 68style regarding his opinion that "tire age doesn't matter".

I didn't say it doesn't matter, but it's not like they turn into pumpkins at 7 years on the dot... people act like they're suddenly no good... if an average tire is stored in garage in the PNW you should be able to get 10 years out of it no problem.

I happen to know of at least 1 manufacturer that tells its sales reps here that they hve no issue with honouring full warranty even on tires that have sat 2-3 years prior to sale.

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by 68style

I didn't say it doesn't matter, but it's not like they turn into pumpkins at 7 years on the dot... people act like they're suddenly no good... if an average tire is stored in garage in the PNW you should be able to get 10 years out of it no problem.

I happen to know of at least 1 manufacturer that tells its sales reps here that they hve no issue with honouring full warranty even on tires that have sat 2-3 years prior to sale.

Yes, because those 2-3 years that it sat before sale was generally indoors in a warehouse.

I hesitate to give any sort of time frame that tires "are good for" because you see weird shit happen - a lot of the newer Michelin tires have sidewall cracking already after a couple of years, etc. No matter stored indoors or on the car.

Always inspect the tires that you plan to buy.

[RabidRat]

Yeah definitely. When I had bought my FJ Cruiser at ~4 years old, the rubber on all 5 original tires were cracked all over. Despite still having lots of tread.

[whitev70r]

Originally Posted by 68style

I happen to know of at least 1 manufacturer that tells its sales reps here that they hve no issue with honouring full warranty even on tires that have sat 2-3 years prior to sale.

So yah, buyers are quite upset that when they buy a set of tires, the DOT is like 2 yrs old. So imagine buying a set of snow tires this season stamped with manufacture date Jan or Feb of 2022. If you want to resell them later, buyer only cares what is DOT ... not when you bought them. Old DOT affects resell value as well.

[red kryptonite]

im a little late to the game so things are pretty slim pickings for the x5

i guess i either compromise and go with some all seasons or find something smaller on fbm

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by red kryptonite

im a little late to the game so things are pretty slim pickings for the x5

i guess i either compromise and go with some all seasons or find something smaller on fbm

If new is in the budget, reach out to OverDrive in Richmond. They might have winter tire + wheel packages available.

(604) 368-3008

It's a cell phone number so you can text it/whatsapp

[red kryptonite]

thanks! ill hit them up on monday

[BIC_BAWS]

if u say that bicbaws (or a guy on RS since there's only a few of us here that are active on RS and whatsapp chats) recommended you, they might treat you better... or treat you worse. I'd like to think better since I'm pretty involved when I send clients to them as I don't like to make a bad recommendation.

[red kryptonite]

yup, name dropped u.... got quoted...
3700+ tax for a set of 20s g8x reps with tpms and michelin pilot alpin 5. ill get back to him once a get a few more quotes.

[BIC_BAWS]

I heard haha. I'm legitimately shocked that you actually said "bicbaws" recommended. Once I'm back on my feet, I owe you a drink. That's actually comedic gold.

But I'm glad they got back to you. That sounds like a reasonable quote, in general, tire cost alone for 20s isn't cheap. Michelin Pilot Alpine 5 instead of China winters sounds reasonable too. That said, I have horrible financial decisions and make purchases based on value LOL

[red kryptonite]

ya i knew it wasnt going to be cheap, the quote he gave sounds reasonable enough. my 2 go to shops here on the island love pushing kumho and pirelli with some niche wheels for similar price.

[dark0821]

dammmnnnnnn, facebook marketplace not an option?

But I was never in the 20s game lolol, that sounds reasonable but also not very affordable at the same time~

[BIC_BAWS]

I looked for X3M spec for a friend a few weeks ago. Slim pickings for the options, at the time at least. Pirelli winters aren't the best, but are common for these M SUVs/P SUVs for some reason.

Idk if he wants to go through the hassle of figuring out wheel spec etc.

Agreed its not very affordable but reasonable, but you can always ask them to price in winter Chinas instead.

[bcrdukes]

You might laugh at me or think I'm being ridiculous, but have you tried getting a quote from Costco?

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by red kryptonite

yup, name dropped u.... got quoted...
3700+ tax for a set of 20s g8x reps with tpms and michelin pilot alpin 5. ill get back to him once a get a few more quotes.

Here's what the big Toronto winter tire shop is doing:

http://simplytire.com/winter/BMW.pdf

[The Producer]

got given some free wheels - think i'm going to make up a fresh winter setup for the GTI

will move the bigger (and worn) 18" setup over to the R for it's very occasional winter use.

225/45/17 deals? couple of marketplace ads I have saved but might just go new.

[red kryptonite]

Originally Posted by dark0821

dammmnnnnnn, facebook marketplace not an option?

But I was never in the 20s game lolol, that sounds reasonable but also not very affordable at the same time~

Not a whole lot to choose from right now. At least not for winters

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

I looked for X3M spec for a friend a few weeks ago. Slim pickings for the options, at the time at least. Pirelli winters aren't the best, but are common for these M SUVs/P SUVs for some reason.

Idk if he wants to go through the hassle of figuring out wheel spec etc.

Agreed its not very affordable but reasonable, but you can always ask them to price in winter Chinas instead.

I’ve had pirelli on my f80 and they were garbage and didn’t last long then switched to kumho which wasn’t any better.

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

You might laugh at me or think I'm being ridiculous, but have you tried getting a quote from Costco?

Never thought about it. I’m not a member so it doesn’t automatically come to mind. Does Costco carry odd sizing?

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

Here's what the big Toronto winter tire shop is doing:

http://simplytire.com/winter/BMW.pdf

Thanks! Ill give it look when i get home.

[bcrdukes]

You never know with Costco. You don't need a membership to check on the Costco website. Just punch in your details and you can add winter wheels towards the end, I think.