Good for starting not for turning or stopping.

All wheel drive doesn't help you brake or turn. You should still get winter tires if you plan to drive in winter conditions (snow, ice, slush, etc.)

No, not if this winter is even 50% like last year.

I agree with what the other guys said, AWD and 4WD do nothing for stopping or turning. It's the AWD cars and 4WD trucks with crappy tires on that I see in the ditch the most going to the ski hill.

can you drive a car with your knees instead of your hands? yes.

is it smart to do so? no.

Thanks guys, winter tires then!
Where is the place with reasonable price if I want to look for wheels + tires combo? 1010tires?

dont jump the gun, if u live in vanc. wait to see what kinda winter we'll have. (weather system)

2008/ 2017 is the only time i've needed winter time in the last 10 years.

Present outlook from the NOAA is slightly above normal temperatures and average precipitation this winter, but that doesn't mean we won't get cold snaps.

If you have alternate options during winter conditions, then you don't need winter tires, but if you plan to drive during them, it's reckless to use all-seasons, IMO.

PMCTire and Costco are my go-to for tires, because PMC doesn't have a location in BC you don't pay PST and they usually have free shipping.

Anybody run all-weather tires during winter? My car did pretty well with Nokian WRG3 and AWD last winter.
Looking into a set of these for the wife's SUV, or Toyo Celsius all-weather tires.

I ran WRG3's year round, they got the job done. Last winter, I didn't have grip issues, but I did have chassis clearance issues. This year I'm probably going to get dedicated winters (Michelin X-ice)

Considering whether I need new winter tires this year. I have Nokian hakkapeliitta's, however they are 8 years old now. Always garage stored so they look mint and no cracking, but 2 of the tires have almost rubbed off the snowflake indicator inside the tire tread. It is still there, but very faint. Driving on my Continental summer tires really isn't an option, so wondering if it is worth it to throw down $800 for a new set of Hakkas or X-Ice?

GF has WRG3s and we both had WRG2s until last winter. Winter performance was solid, but treadlife and road noise left something to be desired (in both cases, we had tire failures after less than 100k). That's why I switched to a dedicated winter.

Speaking of tire failures.... Mine failed and kal tire is going to warranty them. My nokians had a crack all the way around on the side wall, inner side, so i discovered it when I had the wheels off. Kal tire employee assessed it and said the crack goes all the way to the cords.:ahwow:

i need some advice, so my stock e46 coupe setup is

F: 225/45/17x7.5
R: 245/40/17x8.5

i got a free set of pirelli sottozeros off an e90, which are 235/45/17 square. I only that know i should be running more narrow for winter but being free, of course ima take em. Can anyone weigh in on some pros (if any) and cons of running this size on my car?

also +1 for WRG3, was a beast in the snow this past winter on my jeep

Narrower only helps with cutting down through deeper snow. Regardless 1cm isn't doing to make much difference.

Speaking of WRG3...

I had them on 08 Accord Coupe V6. The all-season ones on the car got me stuck in my own garage when it first snowed a teenee bit last November, so I decided to get something better. Someone on the Accord forum suggested me the WRG3, so I ordered a set.

They handled the Feburary snow very well. The car just plowed through snow like it was nothing while my friend's Mustang can't keep itself straight(he had summer tires on; how he didn't crash will remain a mystery). Even saw a BMW stuck in a pole while the owner, a Chinese kid talks to the insurance person. The only time I was stuck was on a very slushy and relatively steep hill, but my car was able to handle most hills other cars were struggling to climb.

The downside is summer performance, but then again, it's a FWD car with a relatively powerful V6. These AW tires focus more on winter performance as well, which means having fun with these tires in summer may not be the best idea.

The tires that come with my RX-8... I will give them one last chance when I put them on soon. They are AS tires with S+M symbol on them, but I constantly had wheelspins on turns(with a rotary). If they are not satisfying, I will shop for some dedicated winter tires.

picking up some Firestone Winterforce for the 2016 Civic. The RDX already has a dedicated set of blizzaks which proved amazing last year.

The 'weather wizards' are already saying that this winter might be similar to last year so i'm not sure if they're getting paid behind the scenes from tire shops. lol.

any reviews on the firestone winterforce?

the farmer's almanac was almost correct for last winter:

Called it: Old Farmer's Almanac predicted winter storms - NEWS 1130

this is what they are saying for the upcoming one:

https://www.almanac.com/weather/longrange/region/ca/5

no need to hoard salt?

Old school winter tires - OK in deep snow, not great on ice unless studded, average in slush/packed snow and meh on wet/dry roads.

Same level as Goodyear Nordic, iPike RSV etc.

^ They now have Firestone winterforce 2's, which are more of a modern design

https://www.firestonetire.com/conten...tions/original

Worst case, you have salt, and need to use it. Best case, you don't need salt, and you can keep it for next year.

Fyi, Costco has 80 off Pirelli Winter Ice, great deal I think, good reviews. thoughts?

Actually, WS80s are even cheaper. hmmm

Lol This is exactly the attitude that had everyone get butt fucked by winter in vancouver this past year. Why is being prepared, just in case, such a bad thing to people.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Or you know, just do what all you fucking retarded muppets did last year and get screwed again.


Also I wholeheartedly disagree, there are plenty of other years between 2008 and 2017 that you would have benefitted from winter tires. Keep in mind that although snow and ice is the major hurdle. Even just lots of rain and cooler temps below 7 degrees it is beneficial to have proper winter rated tires.


The bottom line is this; if you value your car, your safety, your life, the safety of those around you, you will buy winter tires.

If you are a stupid, lazy, cheap, cunt, you wont buy winter tires.

I love how some people can afford BMW, but cheap out on winter tires, and crash their BMW on a pole.

Yeah, like saving ~$1000 is totally worth it for a $50k+ car and your own safety.

If you have FWD or AWD and don't feel like having 2 sets of tires, get a set of good all-weather tires. If you have RWD, please get a dedicated set of winter tires.

Also, I think I need to get salt now... And a shovel. Almost got screwed last year.