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snowfarmer 11-07-2017 05:17 AM

I don’t want to carry my floor jack handle in my car. I carried a proper ratchet with a 17mm socket in my car but many people don’t.

The new winter ride doesn’t have a spare so it’s slime and a 12v pump in the trunk and hope I never need it.

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Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8870850)
Don’t forget your floor jack handle


yray 11-07-2017 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8870850)
Don’t forget your floor jack handle

http://allworldautomotive.com/images...9252_68897.jpg:badpokerface::okay:

320icar 11-07-2017 09:49 AM

I didn’t realize you guys were bitching about roadside breaker bars.

Snowfarner, buy a plug kit and some pliers and put in the trunk. $10 and could save your tire. If you slime it then it’s automatically non-repairable and you’ll have to buy a new tire. Such a waste if it’s s tiny nail you can plug roadside instead until a proper repair

thumper 11-07-2017 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8870759)
Even then you don’t want anything in between the hub and the back of the rim, including anti seize. Anything in between can slowly move and work it’s way out leaving a gap between, his is called joint settling. To prevent the wheel assembly sticking to the hubs (which happens all the time by the way, it’s not a big deal) wire brush and spray with brake clean every time the wheel is removed. Keeps dirt and corrosion from building up

revisiting this. i've seen anti-seize being recommended for keeping spacers from seizing up to wheel hubs. based on the above quote, is this considered to be unsafe?

fliptuner 11-07-2017 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8870906)
I didn’t realize you guys were bitching about roadside breaker bars.

Snowfarner, buy a plug kit and some pliers and put in the trunk. $10 and could save your tire. If you slime it then it’s automatically non-repairable and you’ll have to buy a new tire. Such a waste if it’s s tiny nail you can plug roadside instead until a proper repair

Donuts were optional on my buddy's car. I just grabbed one and a jack kit from the wreckers. Fix-a-flat ain't gonna do shit if you de-bead, run flat or tear up the sidewall.

snowfarmer 11-07-2017 11:54 AM

Good point, I hadn't thought about that. I just grimaced and threw the can of slime in there that was sitting on my parts shelf. Off to Lordco this aft.


Quote:

Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8870906)
I didn’t realize you guys were bitching about roadside breaker bars.

Snowfarner, buy a plug kit and some pliers and put in the trunk. $10 and could save your tire. If you slime it then it’s automatically non-repairable and you’ll have to buy a new tire. Such a waste if it’s s tiny nail you can plug roadside instead until a proper repair


underscore 11-07-2017 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fliptuner (Post 8870910)
Donuts were optional on my buddy's car. I just grabbed one and a jack kit from the wreckers. Fix-a-flat ain't gonna do shit if you de-bead, run flat or tear up the sidewall.

Exactly, basically any distance driven on a fully flat tire will destroy it so unless it's a slow leak or you're parked the tire is gonna be destroyed anyways.

trd2343 11-07-2017 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by coneZONE (Post 8870762)
If they're for your Audi, it will be lug bolts, rather...
VW/Audi bolt size is M14x1.5, like the aforementioned Costo spec from before. Depending on the bolt seat on your new steelies, it may have been designed to be used with the round bolt seat on the OEM bolts so you could just reuse the regular bolts. However, with what i've seen, most aftermarket steelies, including OEM replicas, will use a cone/acorn seat.

Fuck I'm an idiot. I finally understood what you meant when you said bolt. Initially I thought all cars were with studs, and I went around CT, Lordco, asking for lug nuts, only to finally realize Audi uses bolts. Now I'm not sure what I should do. Guy at Lordco said I can try use the original ones on my car to see if it works.

Is there like a correct way, or safe way to do this? I don't want to be using the wrong equipment and put myself and other people at risk.

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Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8870827)
You do know some cars are 4 bolt right? 4x4=16

But yeah not all the Costco warehouses have lug nuts/studs in store. Best to just go to lordco

Yup, just surprised they didn't carry any for 5 bolts car :(

coneZONE 11-07-2017 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by trd2343 (Post 8870971)
Fuck I'm an idiot. I finally understood what you meant when you said bolt. Initially I thought all cars were with studs, and I went around CT, Lordco, asking for lug nuts, only to finally realize Audi uses bolts. Now I'm not sure what I should do. Guy at Lordco said I can try use the original ones on my car to see if it works.

Is there like a correct way, or safe way to do this? I don't want to be using the wrong equipment and put myself and other people at risk.



Yup, just surprised they didn't carry any for 5 bolts car :(

I should've attached something like this... this will probably make it much easier to visualize.
https://www.tirerack.com/images/wheels/tech/lug_nut.jpg
Generally, you can visually tell the difference...
Kind of hard to explain in words, comes with a little bit of experience.
You can take one of your OEM ball-seat bolts and test fit it in one of the bolt holes. If it fits snug and straight, it will work. A bolt in the wrong seat will not fit snug and because it will only contact a thin circle all the way around, it will wobble when you test fit the bolt.

You can PM me a close-up photo of the bolt holes of your rims and i can help decipher it

Sorry I don't remember what CT carries but they carry the wheel bolts and nuts in packs of four.

320icar 11-07-2017 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thumper (Post 8870908)
revisiting this. i've seen anti-seize being recommended for keeping spacers from seizing up to wheel hubs. based on the above quote, is this considered to be unsafe?

Hard to say. A professional would just say “running wheel spacers at all is unsafe”. But as a car guy, I’ve dealt with seized on spacers and it is a CUNT. So yeah using anti seize is not the end of the world, as long as you’re a responsible car owner and check the lug but torque every once and a while just like air pressure... which no one does.

Alternatively, you can drill a hole in the space and tap it for an m10 bolt or similar. If you need to remove the spacer just insert and screw in a bolt. It will go through the spacer, push against the rotor and pop off

Badhobz 11-07-2017 07:06 PM

Does Costco replace tpms sensors ? My dad's Lexus suv got a check systems notice for his tpms. I think one of the sensors must have ran out of juice.

320icar 11-07-2017 08:22 PM

Yeah, redi-sensor. Around $46 each (don’t quote me on that). Call a warehouse and ask. Whatever the price is, add $15 for installation as they have to remove, remount and balance the wheel. I assume that would go for any shop. Alternatively, just live it with it until the others die and replace all four at once. If one dies, the others aren’t far behind.

Badhobz 11-08-2017 10:15 AM

thats a great deal. the stealership wants 1000 bucks to do all 5 sensors w/ reprogramming (spare tire too).

yray 11-08-2017 10:19 AM

^ LOL reprogramming

Liquid_o2 11-08-2017 11:16 AM

Got my X-Ice Xi3's on this morning. 10 degrees outside now... get colder!!!

320icar 11-08-2017 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by yray (Post 8871086)
^ LOL reprogramming

The new sensors need to be written to the car via a Tpms tool and obd2 port cable. So yes reprogramming

yray 11-08-2017 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8871109)
The new sensors need to be written to the car via a Tpms tool and obd2 port cable. So yes reprogramming

So what happens lets say I have a winter set and summer set. I have to reporgram every change? :badpokerface::okay:

roastpuff 11-08-2017 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by yray (Post 8871118)
So what happens lets say I have a winter set and summer set. I have to reporgram every change? :badpokerface::okay:

Yes, which is why indirect TPMS (using ABS wheel speed sensors to detect loss of pressure via circumference) is a bit more convenient and a lot cheaper.

Or you can live without TPMS.

Hakkaboy 11-08-2017 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8871109)
The new sensors need to be written to the car via a Tpms tool and obd2 port cable. So yes reprogramming

my 2012 MDX was fine with 2 set of rims and 2 different sets of sensors.

Just put on and go, no reprogramming necessary?

Is it just certain cars/manufacturers that allow 1 set vs 2 sets of tpms IDs?

Jgresch 11-08-2017 02:56 PM

Some cars auto detect new tpms, some need programming, some can handle multiple sets etc. etc. depends on make/model

320icar 11-08-2017 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by yray (Post 8871118)
So what happens lets say I have a winter set and summer set. I have to reporgram every change? :badpokerface::okay:

totally depends on the car. if it a direct system which means it has sensors, most vehicles will need you to relearn the new tpms sensors. the shop should just do this anyways and not charge you. some vehicles like my RS do not need to be fully reprogrammed, but you have to turn on the vehicles relearn mode (hold brake/gas, turn on and off the hazard lights 8x) then the new sensors need to be activated with a scan tool. no need to plug into obd2. some vehicles dont need a scan tool, and sensors can be activated by lowering and raising each tire pressure one at a time while in relearn mode.

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Originally Posted by roastpuff (Post 8871126)
Yes, which is why indirect TPMS (using ABS wheel speed sensors to detect loss of pressure via circumference) is a bit more convenient and a lot cheaper.

Or you can live without TPMS.

this. no need to replace tpms sensors, change service packs, deal with leaking o rings and seized nuts etc. mostly only the german manufacturers run indirect systems. though i think the toyota sienna in the mid 2000's also did before switching to actual sensors.

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Originally Posted by Hakkaboy (Post 8871128)
my 2012 MDX was fine with 2 set of rims and 2 different sets of sensors.

Just put on and go, no reprogramming necessary?

Is it just certain cars/manufacturers that allow 1 set vs 2 sets of tpms IDs?


honda/acura will often relearn themselves. its all dependent on the vehicle and brand. some toyota actually have a button in the glove compartment that can hold two sets of tpms sensors in memory, but often shops perform relearn procedures while in the 2nd tpms mode and re-write the sensors twice. can be very difficult to figure out why the dash light is on etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Jgresch (Post 8871136)
Some cars auto detect new tpms, some need programming, some can handle multiple sets etc. etc. depends on make/model

yeah its a big hassle. especially when people buy winter steel wheels that dont have sensors in them, but they keep the summer wheels in the garage and park next to them every day. the tpms light comes on after driving for a while. but the next day its off again blah blah. really hard to explain to people whats happening. they complain and complain but are unwilling to spend the $200 on a second set of sensors to solve the problem

roastpuff 11-08-2017 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8871141)
this. no need to replace tpms sensors, change service packs, deal with leaking o rings and seized nuts etc. mostly only the german manufacturers run indirect systems. though i think the toyota sienna in the mid 2000's also did before switching to actual sensors.

Actually Honda have gone to indirect in the last few years, my 2015 Accord has indirect TPMS.

coneZONE 11-08-2017 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 320icar (Post 8871141)
this. no need to replace tpms sensors, change service packs, deal with leaking o rings and seized nuts etc. mostly only the german manufacturers run indirect systems. though i think the toyota sienna in the mid 2000's also did before switching to actual sensors.

I'm not aware of teh full list of models, but Toyota also ran indirect TPMS up til about 2008 in Matrix and Corollas (with ABS option) as well. Easiest reset ever!!! Push and hold the button (about 4 sec) til the light flashes and goes out, and drive. DONE.

dn53 11-08-2017 05:21 PM

There are ups and downs to having an indirect TPMS system. BMW calls it a FTM (flat tire monitoring system). US models will use TPM which involves an actual sensor in each wheel. The downside to the FTM system is it's not able to detect a flat tire if it occurred while the vehicle was parked. The system will only pick it up if a gradual loss of tire pressure occurs while driving. This also means the system won't let you know if the pressures have dropped due to temperature fluctuations. It's a common complaint with the TPM system.


Fun fact of the day

Badhobz 11-08-2017 05:58 PM

If I could disable this pos tpms system I would. On the Lexus it's a friggin joke. It only tells you that pressure is low, but doesn't tell you which one. Lousy design. If it wasn't for that stupid check system display and constant tpms warning light, id just leave it be.


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