Winter tire discussion for grown ups thread.

[Lomac]

Originally Posted by 320icar

Don’t think anyone is allowed to definitevely throw stones at all weather tires until they’ve driven on them. WRG3’s are fucking great in the snow. Comparable to any snow tire I’ve used.

....which means you might as well buy real snow tires

Oh, the G3's are great considering they're an all-weather tire. What bothers me about some people though is that they buy this type of tire, run them year round for a couple years, and then still expect them to be great in the snow even after the tread is half gone. Apart from studded tires, I always run my winter tires as my spare 3-season set once the tread hits 6/32 and then pick up another set of winters.

[ray666]

Not too sure if anyone is interested, but I will be cancelling an appointment I made online with Costco to have tires installed for November 28 at 4:15pm at the Still Creek Costco location. The next available date to make an appointment is Dec. 12. Let me know if you want that slot. If so, I will cancel it and you can book yourself in for that time.

[TOS'd]

Has anyone seen their winter tires rebate in the mail yet?

[yray]

Originally Posted by TOS'd

Has anyone seen their winter tires rebate in the mail yet?

my michelin one got denied because my stupid scanner scanned them a "dot".

think it took around 2 weeks for them to process

[SSM_DC5]

Originally Posted by TOS'd

Has anyone seen their winter tires rebate in the mail yet?

One out of three so far. Claims were submitted within a week of each other.

[TOS'd]

I submitted mine just over 2 weeks ago (Bridgestone). Status says "Received" and I haven't seen an email asking for more information, so I guess it's just a waiting game still.

[thumper]

slightly off topic... how much air pressure are you guys losing from your tires in these temperatures? i'm averaging roughly 4-5psi loss about every two months from my car and my dad's as well. my mom's tires are on nitrogen fill (her acura dealership did them) and they have barely lost 1-2psi the entire year.

[320icar]

Losing like... leaking? Or pressure drop due to ambient temperature

[dared3vil0]

Ambient I would suspect. I usually keep them at 50psi and they're down to 46-47 right now.

[Hehe]

Any recommended shop to mount the tires onto rims and then on car?

Ideally in the South Surrey/White Rock area give my in-law's location.

[91cord]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Any recommended shop to mount the tires onto rims and then on car?

Ideally in the South Surrey/White Rock area give my in-law's location.

R/T tires in south surrey

[Acura604]

Why your SUV needs winter tires - Dec. 21, 2016

You may have heard it said -- in fact, you may have said it yourself -- "I don't need to buy winter tires because I have all-wheel-drive."
Actually, no. If you don't need winter tires, it's because you live in Florida, not because you have all-wheel-drive. In fact, if you have all-wheel-drive, it could be argued that you need winter tires in the snow even more.
When someone with a front-wheel- or rear-wheel-drive car starts going on snow, their wheels will usually spin a little and the car might even slide a little. That can be unnerving, but it provides the driver with valuable real-time information about road conditions. As a result, the driver will probably proceed more slowly and carefully.
For someone in an all-wheel-drive car or SUV, pressing down on the gas pedal induces no such drama. That driver starts off under the impression that the tires have lots of grip.

Until the driver needs to make an emergency stop. All-wheel-drive, you see, doesn't help a bit with stopping. Only with going. That's where winter tires come in.
"The first time you drive a car with winter tires and you have to stop, and you do, you'll never let a loved one drive without them again," said K.C. Colwell, senior technical editor for Car & Driver magazine.
In snow, stopping distances on winter tires are generally about two car lengths shorter than on typical all-season tires, said Ed Gliss, a test driver for Michelin. That's a huge difference.
Winter tires are made from special rubber compounds and have different tread patterns from regular or all-season tires.
The rubber compounds that winter tires are made of stay flexible at low temperatures, allowing them to better grip the road. That's why they're called "winter tires" and not "snow tires." It's about temperature, not just snow and ice. The rubber compounds also also grip better on wet, slippery surfaces like ice.

[BillyBishop]

^

I can't find it now, but Mercedes had a television advert several years ago showcasing their 4Matic in snow/ice conditions as stopping in a shorter distance than 2WD models. I wondered how that ever got published.

[Teriyaki]

Originally Posted by BillyBishop

^

I can't find it now, but Mercedes had a television advert several years ago showcasing their 4Matic in snow/ice conditions as stopping in a shorter distance than 2WD models. I wondered how that ever got published.

LOL thats ridiculous. Not all cars are all-wheel drive, but all cars are all-wheel braking.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Acura604

Why your SUV needs winter tires - Dec. 21, 2016

You may have heard it said -- in fact, you may have said it yourself -- "I don't need to buy winter tires because I have all-wheel-drive."
Actually, no. If you don't need winter tires, it's because you live in Florida, not because you have all-wheel-drive. In fact, if you have all-wheel-drive, it could be argued that you need winter tires in the snow even more.
When someone with a front-wheel- or rear-wheel-drive car starts going on snow, their wheels will usually spin a little and the car might even slide a little. That can be unnerving, but it provides the driver with valuable real-time information about road conditions. As a result, the driver will probably proceed more slowly and carefully.
For someone in an all-wheel-drive car or SUV, pressing down on the gas pedal induces no such drama. That driver starts off under the impression that the tires have lots of grip.

Until the driver needs to make an emergency stop. All-wheel-drive, you see, doesn't help a bit with stopping. Only with going. That's where winter tires come in.
"The first time you drive a car with winter tires and you have to stop, and you do, you'll never let a loved one drive without them again," said K.C. Colwell, senior technical editor for Car & Driver magazine.
In snow, stopping distances on winter tires are generally about two car lengths shorter than on typical all-season tires, said Ed Gliss, a test driver for Michelin. That's a huge difference.
Winter tires are made from special rubber compounds and have different tread patterns from regular or all-season tires.
The rubber compounds that winter tires are made of stay flexible at low temperatures, allowing them to better grip the road. That's why they're called "winter tires" and not "snow tires." It's about temperature, not just snow and ice. The rubber compounds also also grip better on wet, slippery surfaces like ice.

Reminds me of this video. It just shows how much difference tires can make to braking.

Engineering Explained Tires

Granted, he is talking about summer tires, but the idea is the same for winter tires.

AWD tends to give a false sense of safety - I recall seeing a bunch of AWD SUVs stuck on hills this February.

[snowfarmer]

straying from the topic as well, considering there was a "how much pressure are you losing" question posted. What pressure are you running in your winter tires relative to the pressure you run on your summer tires? When I picked up my car from getting the winters installed, the shop had them pumped up to 41 psi. The door jamb sticker shows 33F/39R for the staggered set up that comes stock. I'm running a square setup so have equalized the pressure on all 4 at 36 psi. Any of you heard rationale to run winters at higher PSI than summers?

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by BillyBishop

^

I can't find it now, but Mercedes had a television advert several years ago showcasing their 4Matic in snow/ice conditions as stopping in a shorter distance than 2WD models. I wondered how that ever got published.

The 4matic vehicles had upgraded ABS systems in certain model years, so I can definitely see it being true, but for different reasons than what’s implied.

[Jmac]

Originally Posted by snowfarmer

straying from the topic as well, considering there was a "how much pressure are you losing" question posted. What pressure are you running in your winter tires relative to the pressure you run on your summer tires? When I picked up my car from getting the winters installed, the shop had them pumped up to 41 psi. The door jamb sticker shows 33F/39R for the staggered set up that comes stock. I'm running a square setup so have equalized the pressure on all 4 at 36 psi. Any of you heard rationale to run winters at higher PSI than summers?

Higher PSI is better in deep snow, lower PSI is better on ice.

[dared3vil0]

Originally Posted by Jmac

Higher PSI is better in deep snow, lower PSI is better on ice.

lower PSI is better in deep, deep snow, the bigger footprint it offers keeps you on top of the snow.

[Liquid_o2]

What PSi is recommended for regular daily use of winters? Kal Tire recently installed my X-ice 30 PSI and I'm wondering if this is too low? Fuel economy has been pretty good so far.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Jmac

Higher PSI is better in deep snow, lower PSI is better on ice.

Originally Posted by dared3vil0

lower PSI is better in deep, deep snow, the bigger footprint it offers keeps you on top of the snow.

On the road the slight difference from a few psi won't make any difference. Unless you're airing way down and crawling along just leave it at normal pressure so you don't have improper tire wear for nothing.

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by Liquid_o2

What PSi is recommended for regular daily use of winters? Kal Tire recently installed my X-ice 30 PSI and I'm wondering if this is too low? Fuel economy has been pretty good so far.

Put it the same as the recommended PSI on the door jamb.

[yray]

look in your manual too, they probably have recommended air pressure for square set up.

[AzNightmare]

PSI is so negligible in this context. Just use snow tires and use the correct psi and you'll be fine. Don't need to make adjustments to accommodate the conditions.

If you haven't bought tires yet, getting narrower tires for snow is better.

[underscore]

^ only for medium depth fluffy snow, where you need to cut through to the bottom. On thin snow, wet snow, deep snow or ice you want more contact patch. And either way, a tire that's 10mm narrower won't make a difference. You'd have to be going to pizza cutters for it to matter.