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For me, I couldn't give a damn if they want to run all seasons or summer because if they get stuck and they freeze in the cold that is their problem. What bothers me is they get stuck and you can't go around them and you can't back up, so now you also are in the middle of the shit storm they created.
So you do need to give a damn. I just stay home because I DON'T want to be stuck because of them, not because of myself.
Had the craziest drive to Tofino this past weekend as the island got hit by a snowstorm. Highway 4 was white knuckle driving almost the whole way until you drop down past the construction at Kennedy Lake.
The Pirelli PZero Winters did decent, but I definitely wished for more lateral stability in the sloppy slush that was on Highway 19, couldn't push as hard as I wanted to and was limited to around 60-70kph. To be fair, that was about as fast as most others were going as well. That low average speed ended up with us missing the Highway 4 road closure cutoff around Torquart Bay at 11PM and having to wait until they reopened at 2AM. Highway 4 could have used more plowing and gritting, as certain sections narrowed down to 1 lane with all the snow piled up on either side, especially at the bridge crossings. Granted, I was also pushing hard to try and meet the cutoff, so I was definitely pushing the limits of traction in those conditions. Made me wish I had something more aggressive in tread profile, maybe even studded tires lol.
Back to the tires - I think they are definitely not the greatest in total blizzard conditions, especially if it's a skim of compacted slushy snow with temperatures hovering around 1c. My guess is due to the tread pattern (spoilered below) filling up too quickly. As the snow got deeper in the unplowed sections they got better as they were able to bite in deeper, and they were quite good in icy patches with the sipes that they had. In Vancouver they had no issues, but once faced with tougher conditions they had their weaknesses.
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Damn, not only is yours veiny AF, yours is thick AF too. Yours is twice as thick as mine.. That looks like a 2" or maybe even 3"?
I was watching that yesterday and going, "Holy shit". The only thing it doesn't do well at for a street tire is that it's got fairly high rolling resistance. Otherwise, it's a crazy impressive tire.
They are probably outdated now with new tire tech, but my Altimax Arctic are on their 5th season and second RAV4 and still going strong surprisingly.
I've been quite cautious with them the first few days of snow, but they are still performing very well, especially on our very steep driveway in our new place, there were no signs of slipping even with icy patches and no salt.
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Sonick is a genius. I won't go into detail what's so great about his post. But it's damn good!
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Last summer I replaced the BFG K02's that were on the F150 with a set of Yokohama G015's (Same E load range and snowflake rating). I went for a drive yesterday, and these tires are freaking awesome. Didn't have a struggle anywhere, not even a little.
They're better than the K02's in pretty much every way that's important to me.
Smoother, quieter ride. Better wet traction, and now I know better snow traction as well.
Last summer I replaced the BFG K02's that were on the F150 with a set of Yokohama G015's (Same E load range and snowflake rating). I went for a drive yesterday, and these tires are freaking awesome. Didn't have a struggle anywhere, not even a little.
They're better than the K02's in pretty much every way that's important to me.
Smoother, quieter ride. Better wet traction, and now I know better snow traction as well.
I have the same tires (came OEM with my Outback) and they have been great so far.
Went out each day it was pouring snow to test out the Rovelo China tires from Sailun, no issues so far. Only minor slippage on the slush during an uphill start on boundary, but I think every car was struggling minus AWD.
By Joyce station there was so much slush it caused the car to go 30 degrees sideways a little even at 20km/hr, not sure if that's a tire issue or everyone's like that.
Today only (January 1, 2023) Costco has a one day only promotion on various makes/models of tires on their website for 20% off if you buy a set of four (4) tires. Do shop around as it may not necessarily be the absolute best deal. Quantities are limited.
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When I had a 2 yo, attending those were friggin painful as hell. I rather get the Chinese water torture for 2 hours.
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excuse me, i would never date a mainlander... thats disgusting.
So those of you who ran a new winter tire this season how did it work out for you? What's your review of them? Good call, bad call? Works as expected? How did it compare to your last set?
I'm not in Vancouver but I'm running a brand new set of Michelin X-Ice Snow and in comparison to 6 year old, worn out General Tiger Paws, these are pretty awesome. Much improved ride quality (feels softer) but car is well planted. It hasn't snowed here much in Toronto (in comparison to Vancouver) but the Michelins do a better job at fresh and compacted snow, including slush, than the General Tiger Paws.
In regards to the General Tiger Paws, they came on a set of steel wheels brand new when we bought the car from the dealer 6 years ago and have used them every winter period from November to about late April. They've worn out quite fast and we don't put a lot of mileage on them in the winter. All I can say is it did the job but I wouldn't not recommend them if you were doing serious driving in the snow. For the city, it's ok...after it's snowed.
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When I had a 2 yo, attending those were friggin painful as hell. I rather get the Chinese water torture for 2 hours.
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excuse me, i would never date a mainlander... thats disgusting.
So those of you who ran a new winter tire this season how did it work out for you? What's your review of them? Good call, bad call? Works as expected? How did it compare to your last set?
Amazing, when everyone was stuck for those 3 to 5 days, my $500 china tires got me to screen golf everyday lol.
So those of you who ran a new winter tire this season how did it work out for you? What's your review of them? Good call, bad call? Works as expected? How did it compare to your last set?
Zero regrets. Even if we don't get another dump this year, I'm more then happy with these C2's.
So those of you who ran a new winter tire this season how did it work out for you? What's your review of them? Good call, bad call? Works as expected? How did it compare to your last set?
Pirelli PZero Winters - kind of reviewed them already (check previous post on this page). Outright winter traction isn't as good as the PA4s, dry/wet handling is pretty good. As quiet/quieter than the PA4, and ride is softer. They do not handle deep snow super well, but quite good on ice (as you'd expect from the tread pattern). Did okay at slush until it got a bit too deep.
Second-tier performance tire. Got them for cheap, that's why I run them. Want to try the Continental TS860/870 next.
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Damn, not only is yours veiny AF, yours is thick AF too. Yours is twice as thick as mine.. That looks like a 2" or maybe even 3"?
Pirelli PZero Winters - kind of reviewed them already (check previous post on this page). Outright winter traction isn't as good as the PA4s, dry/wet handling is pretty good. As quiet/quieter than the PA4, and ride is softer. They do not handle deep snow super well, but quite good on ice (as you'd expect from the tread pattern). Did okay at slush until it got a bit too deep.
Second-tier performance tire. Got them for cheap, that's why I run them. Want to try the Continental TS860/870 next.
Summarizes my thoughts on the Sottozero 3s as well, except I only have them because they were the only ones I could find with my sizing.
Pirelli PZero Winters - kind of reviewed them already (check previous post on this page). Outright winter traction isn't as good as the PA4s, dry/wet handling is pretty good. As quiet/quieter than the PA4, and ride is softer. They do not handle deep snow super well, but quite good on ice (as you'd expect from the tread pattern). Did okay at slush until it got a bit too deep.
Second-tier performance tire. Got them for cheap, that's why I run them. Want to try the Continental TS860/870 next.
I have the TS850P on my RDX and they're pretty good/great. Great for city work - quiet, nice ride, good dry/wet handling/performance, predictable responses. Doesn't eat snow like a Blizzak or X-ice but close enough (I'd drive it to Whistler but wouldn't go off-road with it) and it didn't seem to be too bothered by all the compacted ice we had recently. They're are more of a touring tire than the PA4 so not as performance oriented - the recommended fitment is on stuff like 3-series and C-classes etc. I'd buy it again.
Purchased my first set of winter tires Nitto SN2 for my first rwd car and they were amazing! Nothing but confidence driving around in the shit storm we got. Ran all seasons last year on the same car and it was quite sketchy. I am now a believer in winter tires.
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