Winter tire discussion for grown ups thread.

[Badhobz]

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[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

Pardon my ignorance, but is ECS = Continental Extreme Contact Sport?

I should have replied with more detail - This is for my daily driver 2017 Toyota Corolla with 137hp @ 6100rpm and 126 ft-lb of furious torque at 4000rpm. Most of my driving is highway (because Toronto) with lots of stop and go bumper to bumper traffic on the highways and city driving.

We'll do the occasional trip to Buffalo, NY and to Montreal, but looking to do more extensive trips this year to the Maritimes. This car will never see track or autocross duty. The Boxster has a new set of Hankook RS4 endurance tires so that will be used mainly for track duty this season.

Re: Costco - They don't have shit in my area lol (GTA.) Stock size/factory wheel setup is a square 225/45/17.

Yes, ECS = ExtremeContact Sport.
They recently released a new model called ExtremeContact Sport 02. lol.

What's wrong with going with the Pilot Sport A/S series again? I think the current gen is A/S4. Sounds like any UHP tire would be overkill in a 137hp car, and it doesn't sound like you'll be taking it aggressively on twistys anyway. Pilot Sport A/S tires are all seasons, but more on the performance spectrum. You have other A/S tires that are more "boring" and lean toward comfort and better mileage.

Indy500 would be a great performance tire too, although it probably won't be as good in rain, but they are relatively cheap. But most likely overkill for the type of driving it sounds like you'll be doing in the Corolla.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

I enjoy driving slow cars fast but I don't want to give up on life.

In that case the Ultra High Performance A/S category is loaded with great options according to Tire Rack: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/surve...jsp?type=UHPAS

One advantage of the Continentals is that they tend to be lighter by a couple pounds than the Michelins which are then a couple pounds lighter than the Bridgestones. I have the DWS06+ and their past history of squishy sidewalls is not really true anymore - if anything I'd like a little more squish.

[Badhobz]

If they made cross climate 2s for my ratrolla I would buy them in a heartbeat.

Performance ?!? Wtf is that. Why do I need performance going to dolar hotpot

[bcrdukes]

Need to rush there to beat the flood of Mainlanders taking over Richmond

In all seriousness, I think top contenders for me right now are the Continental Extreme Contact DWS06+ or the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4. Anyone here a fan of Yokohama tires?

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

Need to rush there to beat the flood of Mainlanders taking over Richmond

In all seriousness, I think top contenders for me right now are the Continental Extreme Contact DWS06+ or the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4. Anyone here a fan of Yokohama tires?

Those two are good choices. I'm not familiar with the Yoko options beyond the AD08Rs lol.

[EvoFire]

Start your own I don't need summer tires but still want a good tire thread
EDIT: Actually don't, it'll just be CrossClimate2.

Originally Posted by roastpuff

I would still say that the CSC7 and PS5 is still in the same class. One is just at the upper range and one in the lower range. They're both Max Performance tires. Yes, the PS5's are probably in the 300 treadwear range and the CSC7 is 240 treadwear. The PS5S will be probably 200-220 treadwear?

240TW is Cup2 Connect right now. I believe PS4S is around 300, PS5 I just looked up and it's 340. That's the stepping right now and anything below 250 is going to be in the track tire class. Tires have come a long way, or the tire manufacturer's BS has come a long way.

I'm on AD09 and that's a 200TW tire. The fam car is on DWS06+ and that's something retarded like 540TW. I don't think it'll last that long.

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

Pardon my ignorance, but is ECS = Continental Extreme Contact Sport?

I should have replied with more detail - This is for my daily driver 2017 Toyota Corolla with 137hp @ 6100rpm and 126 ft-lb of furious torque at 4000rpm. Most of my driving is highway (because Toronto) with lots of stop and go bumper to bumper traffic on the highways and city driving.

We'll do the occasional trip to Buffalo, NY and to Montreal, but looking to do more extensive trips this year to the Maritimes. This car will never see track or autocross duty. The Boxster has a new set of Hankook RS4 endurance tires so that will be used mainly for track duty this season.

Re: Costco - They don't have shit in my area lol (GTA.) Stock size/factory wheel setup is a square 225/45/17.

It's a Corolla, Triangle is where it's at.

But really, get some DWS06+ and call it a day. On paper the Michelin PAS4 is a better tire, but are you going to argue with 25% cheaper?
I was going to put PAS4 on the X3, but it was 1600+ whereas the DWS06+ was 1200. Bit of a no brainer even if the Michelins will outlast the DWS06+. At the mileage that I put on, the tires will rot before they wear out.

There's always CrossClimates

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

Need to rush there to beat the flood of Mainlanders taking over Richmond

In all seriousness, I think top contenders for me right now are the Continental Extreme Contact DWS06+ or the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4. Anyone here a fan of Yokohama tires?

Aren't Yokos really only known for their Advan line?

[AzNightmare]

Honestly for people in the lower mainland, I would recommend the CC2's if they're only going to buy one set of tires (Better than just running year round with All seasons). Our winters here are pretty mild and CC2's can be used year round for the average driver that just treats their car as a A to B commuter.

At the very least, it would mean when there is light snowfall, people at the very least have tires that can handle it.

Of course the best is always a dedicated winter and summer set, but that's asking for a lot I guess.

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

240TW is Cup2 Connect right now. I believe PS4S is around 300, PS5 I just looked up and it's 340. That's the stepping right now and anything below 250 is going to be in the track tire class. Tires have come a long way, or the tire manufacturer's BS has come a long way.

I'm on AD09 and that's a 200TW tire. The fam car is on DWS06+ and that's something retarded like 540TW. I don't think it'll last that long.


Aren't Yokos really only known for their Advan line?

Tire treadwear ratings from Tire Rack

CSC6/7 are 240 - hilariously short IMO
ECS/ ECS02 is 340
RE71RS 200
RT660 is 200
Cup 2 is "240"
PS4S is "300"
PS4 is 320

I think tire manufacturers have come a long way.

Yoko has Advan A/S tires but no idea how good they are.

[bcrdukes]

I usually swap on the winter tires mid-October because temperatures start to dip to 7 degrees and to avoid the tire shop rush. The all-seasons come on mid-to-late April. You also have to keep in mind, I'm in Toronto, not the Lower Mainland anymore, so the climate here is different. I guess you COULD run CrossClimate 2s all year round, but that's asking for serious trouble especially on wild snow days.

I do a lot of highway driving, so for context, round trip to / from work is now 40km as opposed to 60km per day. Some weekends, I'm doing 120-200km per day depending on if I go to Richmond Hill/Markham or further out to Canadian Tire Motorsport for track weekends. Corolla is the support vehicle. Can't put shit in a Boxster. Gonna camp at the track this year. I'm doing grad school this year too, so that's additional mileage between Downtown Toronto and London, ON. FUUUUUUU.

Edit: While this is not Michelin's fault, but more so of environmental factors and a bunch of ambiguous variables, but I really wished that the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3s I have on now would last a little longer and not succumb to pre-mature cracks on the treads themselves. They are noisy as hell (I seriously cannot hear myself think) and bumpy as hell. Suspension was refreshed a year and a bit ago, so it's not that. I'll have to check alignment.

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

Tire treadwear ratings from Tire Rack

CSC6/7 are 240 - hilariously short IMO
ECS/ ECS02 is 340
RE71RS 200
RT660 is 200
Cup 2 is "240"
PS4S is "300"
PS4 is 320

I think tire manufacturers have come a long way.

Yoko has Advan A/S tires but no idea how good they are.

FYI though, the TW (UTQG) is kind of a crapshoot. There isn't a universal standard. These rating are actually given by the manufacturers' themselves.

A 200-240 rating will tell you it's aggressive made for track performance, but a 240 doesn't necessarily mean it will outlast a 200 from different brands.

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

I usually swap on the winter tires mid-October because temperatures start to dip to 7 degrees and to avoid the tire shop rush. The all-seasons come on mid-to-late April. You also have to keep in mind, I'm in Toronto, not the Lower Mainland anymore, so the climate here is different. I guess you COULD run CrossClimate 2s all year round, but that's asking for serious trouble especially on wild snow days.

If you have dedicated winter tires, no need to run CC2's. It's just a jack of all trades then, and wouldn't suffice for Toronto winter.

But it honestly sounds like you should be looking into touring tires that offer comfort and low rolling resistance so you get better fuel mileage.

[roastpuff]

Move the chat to here

[underscore]

Which brand tends to keep making the same model of tire the longest? I've been using Michelin winters for a while but I noticed they seem to only make each model for a couple years and then discontinue it. I got a flat in one of my X Ice 3's that are a few years old but at 90% tread, but it's not sold anymore so I can't just buy a new tire.

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by underscore

Which brand tends to keep making the same model of tire the longest? I've been using Michelin winters for a while but I noticed they seem to only make each model for a couple years and then discontinue it. I got a flat in one of my X Ice 3's that are a few years old but at 90% tread, but it's not sold anymore so I can't just buy a new tire.

The X-Ice 3 probably had the longest run of a modern winter tire - laucnhed in 2012 and really only replaced this year with XIce Snow.

Bridgestone on the other hand has gone through 3-4 generations of their Blizzak WS

[radeonboy]

Originally Posted by underscore

I got a flat in one of my X Ice 3's that are a few years old but at 90% tread, but it's not sold anymore so I can't just buy a new tire.

Try hunting Canadian Tire - they often have older tires on sale. I put together a set of X Ice 2s last year from 2 separate CT stores.

What size are you looking for? I can run a search against their inventory.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by underscore

Which brand tends to keep making the same model of tire the longest?

Goodyear still sells their Eagle RS-A which came out in 1997. Acura saw fit to equip them as OEM tires on my RDX and still puts them on for their 2023 cars. It's a shit tire yet somehow won't die - there's 2 newer versions out too (Eagle Sport, Eagle Exhilarate)

[underscore]

That would be awesome, thanks. 195/65R15. Should be product number 69846.

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

The X-Ice 3 probably had the longest run of a modern winter tire - laucnhed in 2012 and really only replaced this year with XIce Snow.

Bridgestone on the other hand has gone through 3-4 generations of their Blizzak WS

Weird because it seemed like it was only out for a couple years. In the family we've bought several sets of the X Ice over the last few years and every time it was a different model. We've had the originals, 2's, 3's and now Snow.

[radeonboy]

Originally Posted by underscore

That would be awesome, thanks. 195/65R15. Should be product number 69846.

Weird because it seemed like it was only out for a couple years. In the family we've bought several sets of the X Ice over the last few years and every time it was a different model. We've had the originals, 2's, 3's and now Snow.

Link to listing: https://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/m...p.0051931.html

Looks like Vegreville, AB has 1 but I'm not sure if they're willing to ship. Here's a fuller list:

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by underscore

Which brand tends to keep making the same model of tire the longest?

You got me going into the rabbit hole now...Dunlop (owned by Goodyear) still sells their SP Sport 5000 tire which came out in the mid-90s. It was ALSO a shit tire and it came on my 2003 Protege5. It's down to 5 sizes though so pretty close to being discontinued.

https://www.goodyear.ca/en-CA/tires/...ort-5000-tires

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by supafamous

Goodyear still sells their Eagle RS-A which came out in 1997. Acura saw fit to equip them as OEM tires on my RDX and still puts them on for their 2023 cars. It's a shit tire yet somehow won't die - there's 2 newer versions out too (Eagle Sport, Eagle Exhilarate)

They put the Eagle RS-A on 245 for the super base model 485HP Scat Pack Challenger/Charger as well. Absolutely criminal HAHA

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by supafamous

You got me going into the rabbit hole now...Dunlop (owned by Goodyear) still sells their SP Sport 5000 tire which came out in the mid-90s. It was ALSO a shit tire and it came on my 2003 Protege5. It's down to 5 sizes though so pretty close to being discontinued.

https://www.goodyear.ca/en-CA/tires/...ort-5000-tires

The 19 inch size goes on the Pre 2019 Mazda 6 GT.
The post 2019 6 GT (including the turbo trim) got the Falken Ziex ZE001.... a CROSSOVER tire on a sporty sedan.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...rand%20Touring

Love Mazda but the tires they put on cars have to be the absolute worst possible spec.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

The 19 inch size goes on the Pre 2019 Mazda 6 GT.
The post 2019 6 GT (including the turbo trim) got the Falken Ziex ZE001.... a CROSSOVER tire on a sporty sedan.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...rand%20Touring

Love Mazda but the tires they put on cars have to be the absolute worst possible spec.

OEM tire choices are often baffling. I get they want something cheap and something that works in most generic climates but they seem to ignore the impact to fuel economy, ride comfort, steering response etc.

Another one that makes little sense is the CR-V's stock tire, the Hankook Kinergy GT (https://www.tirerack.com/tires/hankook-kinergy-gt) - the reviews are horrible.

[AzNightmare]

Originally Posted by supafamous

OEM tire choices are often baffling. I get they want something cheap and something that works in most generic climates but they seem to ignore the impact to fuel economy, ride comfort, steering response etc.

Another one that makes little sense is the CR-V's stock tire, the Hankook Kinergy GT (https://www.tirerack.com/tires/hankook-kinergy-gt) - the reviews are horrible.

Sometimes I feel because of the variety of OEM tires that get used on cars, that's the only reason why there's even so many.

Seems like there's really only the same 3-4 leading tires per category that everyone leans towards to if they were buying aftermarket.

[EvoFire]

The Bridgestone RE92 is another one of those long living OE tires. The earliest I remember is around 2000, and I still saw them as OE equipment a few years ago.