Coffee - how do you drink it and why?

[hud 91gt]

Fred Meyers and Target is in the US no? The only local Intelegencia place I knew of was “Wicked,” and it was super expensive to buy, and never that fresh.

JJ bean is usually very fresh, and as I said free espresso with purchase (3/4 or 1lb), that’s a $3 bonus lol. But yeah $20 a lb.

[bcrdukes]

For anyone looking for Stumptown Hairbender, Welk's General Store at the corner of Main and E. 19th has it fresh. The oldest roast date I've ever seen of my visits there is no more than 10 days. Price was reasonable at I believe $16 or $17 a bag. I did see Intelligentsia there a few times, but it's not consistent.

[Expresso]

I find the Stumptown at Fred Meyer a bit suspect as they don't list roast dates...only BB.

[m4k4v4li]

may head to cabin for long weekend, want to make coffee for like 5-10 people probably
what is the best way

thinking of just making pour overs
does anyone have recommendation on filters and also drippers
getting a lot of ads for V60

[Hondaracer]

Anything more than 2-3 people I’d say just a regular old coffee machine

[Hehe]

aeropress is not bad either.

Cleaning it can sometimes be a pita, but great espresso shots, easy to carry around and very little investment

[m4k4v4li]

bit bulky to bring coffee machine though

any other suggestions

[cafe22]

Originally Posted by m4k4v4li

may head to cabin for long weekend, want to make coffee for like 5-10 people probably
what is the best way

thinking of just making pour overs
does anyone have recommendation on filters and also drippers
getting a lot of ads for V60

I'd get a V60-2 and carafe. you can get them quite cheap on amazon and filters are dirt cheap. I've done 650ml brews with it with good results (1:15 ratio). I recommend stirring it at least 1-2 times during the brew to ensure all grounds are saturated.

Espro makes an oversize french press that could fit your demand, but it's pricey.

Another suggestion would be a chemex, but also pricey and fragile.

[cafe22]

Or another solution is to make and bring hanging ear coffee bags. That way everyone can have a hot cup of coffee and you don't need to bring any bulky coffee equipment.

https://www.amazon.ca/Hanging-Portab.../dp/B01HYUNTAQ

You can find them a lot less on aliexpress/ebay.

[Hehe]

I've been looking to upgrade to a dual boiler.

Saved for about a year. Pulled the trigger a while back after their announcement. Finally got it this Friday.

The Rocket R Cinquantotto. It's just the updated version of the R58, but they made it "Italian" by calling it as such.

Incredible machine. I pulled 2 shots today using some Starbucks grinded beans as I'm still waiting for my grinder to arrive. But the consistency of the extraction and the steam power is just mindblowing. What used to take almost a minute to steam, now it's a matter of seconds.

Sadly, haven't gotten to use any of the fancy functions like PID as Rocket fucked up and shipped the Appartamento accessories box instead of the R58 one. So, have to wait until they Fedex me the PID display.

But it's a beautiful machine.

[SkinnyPupp]

That's beautiful but I am also glad I can brew an amazing cup with a $10 Hario V60 or $20 Aeropress

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

That's beautiful but I am also glad I can brew an amazing cup with a $10 Hario V60 or $20 Aeropress

Yeah, I gave my previous machine to my brother when he was heading back to Taiwan, as I was considering an upgrade once I had the money.

For the money, AP has no competition really... but too many variables go into espresso making, and it's hard to control them all the time with AP.

For the last year, I've been dealing my caffeine addiction with a simple pot+drip for pour-over and Aeropress to save money. A dual boiler is a big investment, but I figure if I can just cut Starbucks and Timmy out of my life for a year or 2, I should be able to do it. Ended up saving my budget of $4000 in under a year (47wks to be exact). It's shocking when you start adding up all the coffee trips. At first I thought it was maybe 5bucks a day saving, but between personal/business meetings and coffee cravings... it adds up quickly.

It's been fine... and the pandemic helped too as I'd remember to bring a coffee drink in my thermo everyday.

[Farfetched]

Killer machine. Which grinder are you pairing it with? I've done AP and pour over, they make good coffee. But if you want a true espresso, there is really no way around it. I was looking into the profitec 600 db, but was hard to justify when I'm the only one in my household who drinks coffee.

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[Hehe]

Originally Posted by Farfetched

Killer machine. Which grinder are you pairing it with? I've done AP and pour over, they make good coffee. But if you want a true espresso, there is really no way around it. I was looking into the profitec 600 db, but was hard to justify when I'm the only one in my household who drinks coffee.

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Niche Zero.

I’m also the only coffee drinker at home. But the math breaks down as an investment for 10years. At 400 a year or roughly 2 dollar a day by factoring potential maintenance and expenses, I think it’s a small price to pay at 2 shots minimum a day.

[Hondaracer]

Damn I want a double boiler..

Will have to start saving now in anticipation of my 870XL biting the dust, knock on wood lol

[cafe22]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Yeah, I gave my previous machine to my brother when he was heading back to Taiwan, as I was considering an upgrade once I had the money.

For the money, AP has no competition really... but too many variables go into espresso making, and it's hard to control them all the time with AP.

For the last year, I've been dealing my caffeine addiction with a simple pot+drip for pour-over and Aeropress to save money. A dual boiler is a big investment, but I figure if I can just cut Starbucks and Timmy out of my life for a year or 2, I should be able to do it. Ended up saving my budget of $4000 in under a year (47wks to be exact). It's shocking when you start adding up all the coffee trips. At first I thought it was maybe 5bucks a day saving, but between personal/business meetings and coffee cravings... it adds up quickly.

It's been fine... and the pandemic helped too as I'd remember to bring a coffee drink in my thermo everyday.

but sooner or later you will be itching to upgrade to a GS3/Linea or Slayer 1G.

I wonder if alcafe surest Giotto kit works with the new Rocket line up? https://shureshot.alcafe.com/kits.html

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Damn I want a double boiler..

Will have to start saving now in anticipation of my 870XL biting the dust, knock on wood lol

Yeah. Even though it’s expensive, but after using it over the weekend, I have to say that it’s worth the money.

It’s super consistent. No variation in temp or pressure. And the steamer is mind blowing fast. I’m still adjusting my workflow. Because it’s much shorter time to reach ideal temp. So how long I add air into milk and simmer the wand becomes a different game.

[Expresso]

Originally Posted by cafe22

but sooner or later you will be itching to upgrade to a GS3/Linea or Slayer 1G.

I wonder if alcafe surest Giotto kit works with the new Rocket line up? https://shureshot.alcafe.com/kits.html

The newer rockets have built in shot timers which are pretty incognito which is nice!

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by cafe22

but sooner or later you will be itching to upgrade to a GS3/Linea or Slayer 1G.

I wonder if alcafe surest Giotto kit works with the new Rocket line up? https://shureshot.alcafe.com/kits.html

As Expresso pointed out, the newer Rocket, like the one I have has timer built in.

I think I'm quite satisfied for now and really don't see the need of upgrading ever. From what I gathered... something like Slayer doesn't necessarily pull a better shot than say my Rocket when everything else is kept the same. The difference still lies on the reason I upgraded to a dual boiler: consistency.

Slayer 1G is really a commercial machine in disguise. So, it's able to pull shots after shots for the whole day with minimum variation as its parts are designed to be super heavy-duty in the first place. But it's a total overkill for me who makes 2-8 espressos a day (2 for me, and rest for when family visits) as I'd see very little improvement over mine.

However, the decision on this specific model was chosen partly because it's an all new update to an existing model rather than a refresh. Let's say after a few years and I want to upgrade to something else for whatever reason, my unit would still be one of the newest models on the market and limit the amount of depreciation.

I ordered an EMS Nanoscreen from the research as a cheap ($55) mod that makes a noticeable difference. And I think I'm done for messing around with it for now. If I get tired, I'd purchase a flow profiling controller and add it to my machine for further fine-tuning. For now, I think the espresso coming out is already amazing as it is.

[Ch28]

Originally Posted by Hehe

I've been looking to upgrade to a dual boiler.

Saved for about a year. Pulled the trigger a while back after their announcement. Finally got it this Friday.

The Rocket R Cinquantotto. It's just the updated version of the R58, but they made it "Italian" by calling it as such.

Incredible machine. I pulled 2 shots today using some Starbucks grinded beans as I'm still waiting for my grinder to arrive. But the consistency of the extraction and the steam power is just mindblowing. What used to take almost a minute to steam, now it's a matter of seconds.

Sadly, haven't gotten to use any of the fancy functions like PID as Rocket fucked up and shipped the Appartamento accessories box instead of the R58 one. So, have to wait until they Fedex me the PID display.

But it's a beautiful machine.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Damn I want a double boiler..

Will have to start saving now in anticipation of my 870XL biting the dust, knock on wood lol

Your 870XL is capable of pulling excellent shots. Dual boiler is great if the volume of shots/coffees require it, but unnecessary for the most part. It will be a while before it craps out, unless you intentionally and maliciously do not maintain it.

Since I moved from the Rancilio Silvia to the Rocket Giotto Evo v2 over 4 years ago, the only big difference is the time for heat recovery and being able to steam and pull shots at the same time. Being an E61 grouphead and a heat exchanger, temperature stability is consistent. Otherwise, the Silvia was great at pulling excellent shots. I never had enough people over often enough where it was a problem. And even if I had company over, nobody ever mind waiting.

Over the course of years, the most significant improvement to shot quality was getting a better grinder. I picked up a Quamar M80E for cheap (clearance sale) and it made a huge difference. If there is one thing I would highly recommend to people when considering upgrading, is to spend more money on the grinder over a machine. I thought people were crazy when they told me this, until I jumped at the opportunity to do it. No regrets.

When I move to my new place in October, I'm tempted to get a traditional lever machine. Quite frankly, I'm tired of all the tech and gadgets of new machines, and miss dialing in my technique. I miss that about my Silvia. The Rocket made me lazier because it's so much more forgiving. And when going out for coffee, despite shops having nice machines like Slayers and the like, it usually equates to just an "okay" shot of espresso. While there are exceptions, it's rare to find a shop and a barista who can consistently do an excellent job.

[Expresso]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

Over the course of years, the most significant improvement to shot quality was getting a better grinder. I picked up a Quamar M80E for cheap (clearance sale) and it made a huge difference. If there is one thing I would highly recommend to people when considering upgrading, is to spend more money on the grinder over a machine. I thought people were crazy when they told me this, until I jumped at the opportunity to do it. No regrets.

Soooo EG1 or Monolith soon?

Skip the Slayer most seem to have nothing but problems and support isn't there.

[bcrdukes]

Why not both?

Word on the street is that you pull some Godly shots.

[donk.]

I only drink vokda

Sometimes kvass on sundays

[Hehe]

It's here!





I was having a second thought about the color after I ordered it.

But now seeing it side-by-side, I'm glad I picked black because it matches perfectly with the R58.



Haven't gotten time to pull a shot yet as I'm still on my last bag of pre-grind coffees. I asked the coffee place to grind it for me based on their settings for espresso as I was without a grinder, so far so good as the Cinquantotto is quite forgiving.

Will definitely make a shot the next couple of days and see how it work.