Rich kid crashes Benz, and almost dies. We try to figure out the model.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by westopher

Thats the biggest point in my argument. Shit can go sideways so much faster than the brain can process in these high horsepower cars. Ever ridden in a GTR, or a turbo S or any of these other acceleration monsters? You literally blink and you are going 100. Sneeze and all of a sudden you are going 180. Its fucking insanity.

Sneeze in a 500 HP car and the rear end is too far gone for an inexperienced driver to have a hope of saving, sneeze in a 100 HP car and... well nothing really.

[tofu1413]

100hp in a gen I MR2.... that's pretty scary already

[Timpo]

Again, horsepower has nothing to do with accident rate. I know for a fact because Japan did an extensive research. Although Canadian driving condition may differ by a little bit, I would expect the result to be the same or similar. Sure, it can get you faster than where it supposed to be, but people who do not have brain receptor to think you should stop right there will speed like maniac no matter what.

You think 300hp restriction on your license might be a good idea?
Think about it again, there are many cars that are 300hp or less that can get you in more trouble than some high end cars;

[Genzlinger]

^ +1. Another super car bites the dust...how unfortunate.

[westopher]

Ok, give someone a GT2 and a blind corner at night 2000M away then give someone an Accord and put them in the same circumstances and we will see which ends with more damage. If you can get faster, in a shorter distance, you will crash going faster. Crashing faster means more inertia, which means more energy transfer, which means more damage. Its not rocket surgery. Regardless, I don't know why anyone would argue against stricter license testing, wether it be for people with high powered cars, or just everyone.

[asian_XL]

180km/h on SW Marine? can't we deport these drivers

[Galactic_Phantom]

Originally Posted by westopher

The thing that sucks most of all, is when one of these fucks hit anyone who's not in a 100k new car with top of the line safety features, they live, and the dude in his civic heading to work driving the speed limit is splattered on their hood while his car is in 2 pieces 150 meters away.

THIS
Fail away, but thank god they only injured themselves and no one else.
I can't imagine that merc obliterating into someone I care about while these fucks survive. I'd probably try to kill them myself

[originalhypa]

Originally Posted by westopher

Ever ridden in a GTR, or a turbo S or any of these other acceleration monsters?

My STi was last dyno tested at just under 350whp, and it sits in the garage for about 5 months a year. The first week I take it out every year, I do something that scares the shit out of me.

A couple weeks ago I got some lift oversteer as I forgot we changed the alignment settings before I parked it. Ive spent the last 22 years taking my driving very seriously, so I was able to get it back under control. But we are talking about a car with AWD, and still more grip than many other cars out there. If I was driving my muscle car with 380 lbs at the wheels, I would be in the same boat as this kid.

I love powerful rides, but as you alluded to, they can bite you in the ass very quickly. While I am not a supporter of the government taking rights away, maybe there is something to be said about hp limits for N drivers, or maybe even special training for high hp cars. If you can afford a car with 500+ hp from the factory, you can afford a weekend of driver training in Mission.

Originally Posted by tofu1413

The 507 is no slouch. just has problems putting the power down. that 6.2 is a gem.

It has such a great sound to it. The regular C63 is on my short list to replace the STi one day. The 507 would be a dream.

Originally Posted by Timpo

Again, horsepower has nothing to do with accident rate. I know for a fact because Japan did an extensive research

I almost wonder if the culture of Japan would have more to do with the accident rate than hp ratings. First off, there are fewer high hp options in Japan. For every GTR on the road, there are 50 Kei cars. Also, its a very small island full of people. So the options to get up to speed are limited. Unlike the lower mainland, where I can hit 200kmh coming into Chilliwack without seeing another car around. I feel that in Japan the vast majority of people respect authority and those around them. In the lower mainland the only thing people respect is the almighty dollar. I could be wrong, but maybe Im not?

[Raid3n]

Threads in 2 different forums on same topic merged into thread from VAC.

[originalhypa]

You kick much ass, Head Mod Raiden!!
Thank you for the merge.

[originalhypa]

Originally Posted by wkbb

I'd probably try to kill them myself

This just happened for realz.

CHARLOTTETOWN — A man in Prince Edward Island has been sentenced to life in prison with no parole eligibility for 35 years for killing two men in slayings that the Crown says were motivated by revenge.

Alfred Guy Vuozzo pleaded guilty to first- and second-degree murder in the shooting deaths of 68-year-old Brent McGuigan and his son, 39-year-old Brendon McGuigan.

The Crown says Vuozzo shot the men execution-style to avenge the death of his sister 45 years ago.

At Vuozzo’s sentencing hearing today in provincial Supreme Court, Crown lawyer John Diamond read an agreed statement of facts describing the motive behind the shootings near Montague on Aug. 20 of last year.

Diamond said the father of Brent McGuigan was the driver of a vehicle involved in a collision that killed Vuozzo’s nine-year-old sister in 1970.

Diamond said the 46-year-old Vuozzo has suffered from depression for years and went to the McGuigan household armed with a handgun to seek revenge for his sister’s death.

Diamond argued Vuozzo should have no parole eligibility for 50 years, while the defence sought 25 years before he could apply for parole.

Alfred Guy Vuozzo killed two men in PEI to avenge 1970 death of his sister, court hears | National Post

[freakshow]

Originally Posted by westopher

Its not rocket surgery.

[dared3vil0]

180km/h on MARINE drive? Fucking hell...

[sdubfid]

Originally Posted by westopher

Yeah that was the example I was alluding to, without using it directly. The difference is, with the truck argument, a brodozer truck is nowhere near as catastrophic as the impact caused by speed, nor is it as common as the high powered luxury cars. The high school physics is escaping me, but when we are talking about applied force, speed is a greater factor. Also, although many dumb fucks drive those trucks, those few extra seconds that it takes to get to a ridiculous rate of speed is sometimes enough time for the brain to play out a scenario in the persons mind of the consequences.

I think you are referring to kinetic energy= 0.5MV^2

[Geoc]

Doesn't GM have the teen driver mode in their car? I'm surprised that the German brands don't have this feature. That or reckless speeding teens aren't as big of an issue there.

[Raid3n]

Originally Posted by westopher

The thing that sucks most of all, is when one of these fucks hit anyone who's not in a 100k new car with top of the line safety features, they live, and the dude in his civic heading to work driving the speed limit is splattered on their hood while his car is in 2 pieces 150 meters away. I REALLY believe that there should be special programs and licensing for cars that have over 300hp (or somewhere around there, someone who does research can determine what is safe.) These cars take such an insanely short time before a stupid decision can go from fender bender to gruesome multiple fatality territory. A time far too short for an uneducated brain to process the consequences.

should use something like the Aussie 'P' Plates.

the probationary license prohibits the following vehicles:

If the vehicle is manufactured before 1 January 2010

has an engine with eight cylinders or more, or
has an engine that is turbocharged or supercharged (except those listed in the probationary vehicle database).
has an engine that has been modified to increase the vehicle's performance (other than a modification made by the manufacturer in the course of the manufacture of the vehicle, or
is a nominated high performance six cylinder engine (refer to the probationary vehicle database).


If the vehicle is manufactured after 1 January 2010

has a power to mass ratio of greater than 130 kilowatts (174hp) per tonne, or
has an engine that has been modified to increase performance (other than a modification made by the manufacturer in the course of the manufacture of the vehicle)

i think we should have similar restrictions.

[anxiety]

I'm amazed by the safety of these high end cars which are usually german or italian. This one, the people managed to survive despite crashing at 180km/h

Last night, I was reading the Chinese news, one Ferrari 458 and a lambo gallardo were racing in a tunnel in Beijing, they were driving at least 180km/h as well, managed to crash onto the cement wall, both cars were totaled but both drivers were able to walk away without any problem.

Don't know if lucky or the cars are just that damn safe

[EndLeSS8]

Let's be honest guys, the HP/age restriction never works because (in one way or the other) this is a CAR-MODDING forum. People will modify their cars

You guys think ICBC is going to dyno every single car to enforce this?

[trollguy]

turn the aircare rollers into functioning dynos amirite

[twitchyzero]

anyone with a heavy foot can probably get themselves killed in a 120hp corolla..it doesn't take 300hp+
how did the car go airborne? Just checked google maps as I don't recall there being a hill there...I'm thinking they just meant the car flipped.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

anyone with a heavy foot can probably get themselves killed in a 120hp corolla..it doesn't take 300hp+
how did the car go airborne? Just checked google maps as I don't recall there being a hill there...I'm thinking they just meant the car flipped.

If the car hit a curb at that kind of speed, it can easily launch into the air.

[BEEB]

Originally Posted by originalhypa

It has such a great sound to it. The regular C63 is on my short list to replace the STi one day. The 507 would be a dream.

Don't do it Hypa, the C63 is a boring car. Keep that STi.

[AAnthony]

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[threezero]

^foe a street bike most accident involve only injuring the rider and maybe his passenger. The chance of killing an innocent on a street bike is slim to non where as with powerful car one can do a lot of dmage before the vehicle comes to a full stop.

Personal safety vs public safety

[a00755836]

i hope this teaches the driver a valuable lesson. the passenger is just as valuable as he is.