Originally Posted by threezero (Post 8624382)

That's not what I mean I am all for driver aids. But I'm a supporter of progressing one's driving skill one step at a time. All modern cars nowadays comes with driving aid of some sort. And all driver aid will at one time or anther fail or misinterprete the situation leaving only the driver in complete control even if it's just a split second. I bet you 90%of ppl here have skid out or when out of control when they are young in their hand me down Honda corrollas or what have you. They hit a curb and learn that drivers aid is not invincible and these you respect the car and your limitation as a driver. As time pass one acquires better and better car and the skill you have acquire mean you utilize the driver AIDS as an assitant rather than dependence.

WIth the kid's c63 it's like learning to fly before he knows how to walk. Without previous skills and experiences making mistake with other not so powerful car the kid is essentially on autopilot relying completely on driver AIDS without even knowing it. Talk about inflated ego and bad driving technique. If the same kid is giving a 509hp car with no driver assit he probably would of spun out at less than 30km/hr.

I still think that without learning how to drive properly first on something with little to no driver aid, Constantly pushing a fully compter aided car is just developing bad habit. I'm talking about pushing the car not puttering around from point a to point b. You know why you feel so dangerous and not in control when driving a car with no drivers aid? It's probabably becuase you do suck when there is no computer involve. Don't blame it on the car itself bad alignment fuck up brakes etc is dangerous for ANY car

Originally Posted by threezero (Post 8624555)

I did not say to banning electronic aid. I was merely saying how getting a super car that completely control by computer aid is a bad idea for a completely NEW driver. Look at pilots they do not start out flying fully computerize Boeing commercial planes. They start out on little single engine Cessna with little to no computer AIDS. This is to prepare them for the very very slim chance that one day their commercial planes with all the electronic AIDS fail.

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8624561)

Actually, no.

Yes they do typically start with Cessna, Piper or Diamond Katana to start with, but it is not to train with no electronic aid aircraft.
If you can afford to rent a state of the art glass cockpit aircraft to start with(assuming it's a single engine and under 12,500 lbs I believe), they will let you. Although you would have to do the spin and spiral recovery by yourself.

The biggest reason Cessnas do not have electronic aid is that it is going to cost them millions of $ to get approved by ICAO, FAA and Transport Canada if they were to introduce one thing for aircraft or engine. For example, fuel injection, new sensors, ECU, etc.

That's why Lycoming engine has not evolved since 1960s or so. They're pretty much like lawnmower engine.

You can get a state of the art engine like cars, however the aircraft must be labelled as "experimental" which would not qualify for training.

Originally Posted by threezero (Post 8624613)

Thanks for the info. You are right and sorry I know nothing about airplanes I was just trying to make an analogy. You can not possible think it's safe for a new young driver to have a 500hp car just becuase it has computer AIDS. That was my point

Originally Posted by Vtec4life (Post 8624345)

Yes indeed. And i am not trying to be racist or anything. I am just telling the truth.
For the past 12 years living in BC. I have NEVER seen a good , i mean "skilled" driver that came from "China". I drive everyday and participate in different driving events for years.
Drivers from hong kong, taiwan, japan are light years better than those from China, and they are humble too!
So you tell me, what has gone wrong with these people???

Most importantly, they think they looked really good in a nice-ass super car. But in fact, it just made it worse. It is you that doesnt match the car, because you DONT appreciate what you are driving, and i see zero respect in your eyes . So dont expect any respect from others either.

Originally Posted by ncrx (Post 8624756)

the biggest different between the general population of japanese youth and north american youth is they know respect

Originally Posted by Traum (Post 8624760)

when they are bounded by so many unspoken rules and traditions, it kind of puts a lid to the limits of their imagination.

Originally Posted by asian_XL (Post 8624792)

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Timpo, driving schools are all over Asia, not just Japan. Getting a driver's license in Hong Kong is pretty difficult too.

Originally Posted by Timpo (Post 8624861)

And fuck that "speed kills" phrase in Canada. People in Germany are going at least 130+km very safely. So speed itself isn't an issue there.

Originally Posted by teggy604 (Post 8625108)

any updates? passenger still alive? life support?

Originally Posted by MeowMeow (Post 8625260)

Apparently driver got the car as a gift from his parents because he got into SFU

Originally Posted by MeowMeow (Post 8625260)

Driver also apparently took a selfie of his bloody face after the crash

Originally Posted by E-SPEC (Post 8625265)

HOLY SHIT! I was in the hospital at the exact same time as this kid was for a minor leg injury, i was next to his friends that were there for him. In the short time i was, some nurse had come out and said to his friends something like "we are trying to get in touch with Social Services and also saying the guy is stating he is very adamant that he DOES NOT want his parents to know about this at all! " she also stated that he was on life support. Me and the guy beside me were like "wtf man??" that is the weirdest thing ever. He is in there about to possibly die and doesn't want his parents to know? But ya thats what happened. I asked his friend what happened and he didn't want to say.

Originally Posted by Tr1ll (Post 8625326)

Unrelated incident but since we're on the topic..

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