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Old 04-15-2015, 05:58 PM   #126
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That's not what I mean I am all for driver aids. But I'm a supporter of progressing one's driving skill one step at a time. All modern cars nowadays comes with driving aid of some sort. And all driver aid will at one time or anther fail or misinterprete the situation leaving only the driver in complete control even if it's just a split second. I bet you 90%of ppl here have skid out or when out of control when they are young in their hand me down Honda corrollas or what have you. They hit a curb and learn that drivers aid is not invincible and these you respect the car and your limitation as a driver. As time pass one acquires better and better car and the skill you have acquire mean you utilize the driver AIDS as an assitant rather than dependence.

WIth the kid's c63 it's like learning to fly before he knows how to walk. Without previous skills and experiences making mistake with other not so powerful car the kid is essentially on autopilot relying completely on driver AIDS without even knowing it. Talk about inflated ego and bad driving technique. If the same kid is giving a 509hp car with no driver assit he probably would of spun out at less than 30km/hr.

I still think that without learning how to drive properly first on something with little to no driver aid, Constantly pushing a fully compter aided car is just developing bad habit. I'm talking about pushing the car not puttering around from point a to point b. You know why you feel so dangerous and not in control when driving a car with no drivers aid? It's probabably becuase you do suck when there is no computer involve. Don't blame it on the car itself bad alignment fuck up brakes etc is dangerous for ANY car
You still don't get it.

Electronic aids nowadays are so advanced, they calculate everything in matter of 1/100 second, it's way beyond human's capability.

You might think banning electronic aids and high performance equipments will make roads safer, because it'll hypotherically teach idiots a lesson, but in reality, electronic devices are saving lives.

Look, accident rates decline every year, despite the numbers of cars on the road are increasing ever year.
Cars are safer than ever, whether you like it or not, high tech cars will cover idiots' asses.
Anti collision system, stability control, ABS, traction control, auto blind spot check, they're all contributing factors to less accident rates.
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I did not say to banning electronic aid. I was merely saying how getting a super car that completely control by computer aid is a bad idea for a completely NEW driver. Look at pilots they do not start out flying fully computerize Boeing commercial planes. They start out on little single engine Cessna with little to no computer AIDS. This is to prepare them for the very very slim chance that one day their commercial planes with all the electronic AIDS fail.
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I did not say to banning electronic aid. I was merely saying how getting a super car that completely control by computer aid is a bad idea for a completely NEW driver. Look at pilots they do not start out flying fully computerize Boeing commercial planes. They start out on little single engine Cessna with little to no computer AIDS. This is to prepare them for the very very slim chance that one day their commercial planes with all the electronic AIDS fail.
Actually, no.

Yes they do typically start with Cessna, Piper or Diamond Katana to start with, but it is not to train with no electronic aid aircraft.
If you can afford to rent a state of the art glass cockpit aircraft to start with(assuming it's a single engine and under 12,500 lbs I believe), they will let you. Although you would have to do the spin and spiral recovery by yourself.

The biggest reason Cessnas do not have electronic aid is that it is going to cost them millions of $ to get approved by ICAO, FAA and Transport Canada if they were to introduce one thing for aircraft or engine. For example, fuel injection, new sensors, ECU, etc.

That's why Lycoming engine has not evolved since 1960s or so. They're pretty much like lawnmower engine.

You can get a state of the art engine like cars, however the aircraft must be labelled as "experimental" which would not qualify for training.
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Actually, no.

Yes they do typically start with Cessna, Piper or Diamond Katana to start with, but it is not to train with no electronic aid aircraft.
If you can afford to rent a state of the art glass cockpit aircraft to start with(assuming it's a single engine and under 12,500 lbs I believe), they will let you. Although you would have to do the spin and spiral recovery by yourself.

The biggest reason Cessnas do not have electronic aid is that it is going to cost them millions of $ to get approved by ICAO, FAA and Transport Canada if they were to introduce one thing for aircraft or engine. For example, fuel injection, new sensors, ECU, etc.

That's why Lycoming engine has not evolved since 1960s or so. They're pretty much like lawnmower engine.

You can get a state of the art engine like cars, however the aircraft must be labelled as "experimental" which would not qualify for training.
Thanks for the info. You are right and sorry I know nothing about airplanes I was just trying to make an analogy. You can not possible think it's safe for a new young driver to have a 500hp car just becuase it has computer AIDS. That was my point
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Thanks for the info. You are right and sorry I know nothing about airplanes I was just trying to make an analogy. You can not possible think it's safe for a new young driver to have a 500hp car just becuase it has computer AIDS. That was my point
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Yes indeed. And i am not trying to be racist or anything. I am just telling the truth.
For the past 12 years living in BC. I have NEVER seen a good , i mean "skilled" driver that came from "China". I drive everyday and participate in different driving events for years.
Drivers from hong kong, taiwan, japan are light years better than those from China, and they are humble too!
So you tell me, what has gone wrong with these people???

Most importantly, they think they looked really good in a nice-ass super car. But in fact, it just made it worse. It is you that doesnt match the car, because you DONT appreciate what you are driving, and i see zero respect in your eyes . So dont expect any respect from others either.
Yeah in Japan, they take driving very seriously.

You must go to driving school and they have this designated practice track. They won't just take you on the road until you pass all the skills test.
Before you are even allowed to practice on the road, you must prove your examiner that you can do parallel parking, stop & go safely, watch for hazards, how to change lane safely, have full control of the vehicle and all that stuff. After taking driving theory course and passing written test, you can finally go on the road with your instructor.







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the biggest different between the general population of japanese youth and north american youth is they know respect
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the biggest different between the general population of japanese youth and north american youth is they know respect
I would say that is both a blessing and a curse though. For the Japanese kids, when they are bounded by so many unspoken rules and traditions, it kind of puts a lid to the limits of their imagination. On the other hand, with the American style of freedom, you end up with people that don't know respect...

But when it comes to spoiled brats, it doesn't matter what the cultural norm or pros and cons are. They are still gonna turn out to be unruly brats.
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Timpo, driving schools are all over Asia, not just Japan. Getting a driver's license in Hong Kong is pretty difficult too.
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Timpo, driving schools are all over Asia, not just Japan. Getting a driver's license in Hong Kong is pretty difficult too.
I never said it's easy to get a license in Hong Kong.

My point is, in overseas, it's typical to see people spending $3,000-$4,000 to get a drivers license due to extensive training and higher standards.

Parents from overseas get their mind blown because ICBC tells their kids that they can basically go out on the road where other traffic and pedestrians are, with their buddies or friend's older brother as long as he/she is 25 years old without even having a qualified instructor monitoring them.

Now ICBC, Police, general public complain about how kids don't know how to drive properly and causing hazards on the road. It makes foreigners wonder why. I'm sure you would agree that if German or Japanese license standard ever come to BC, half of people would not be driving on the road. Although there are idiots in every country on the road, I'm sure there are some accidents that have been prevented with proper training.
When you see people at Yaohan trying to back up and move forward 15 times until they can park properly, you know there's no way that person should have passed the driving test.

ICBC's license renewal is nothing but a joke and cash grab.
As you may know, in other countries, they will re-examine your hearing, eye sight, driving capabilities. Whereas here in BC, ICBC will take your $75 and send you a new license and absolutely no examination or refreshing required.

And fuck that "speed kills" phrase in Canada. People in Germany are going at least 130+km very safely. So speed itself isn't an issue there.
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Seriously, Timpo does make some strong points on BC's driver licensing requirements vs. the driving licensing requirements in Asian countries.
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And fuck that "speed kills" phrase in Canada. People in Germany are going at least 130+km very safely. So speed itself isn't an issue there.
When Germans have an accident on the autobahns though, it's BIG. A few years back there was a 100+ car accident because it rained
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any updates? passenger still alive? life support?
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any updates? passenger still alive? life support?
This is just what my student who knows the driver told me:

Apparently driver got the car as a gift from his parents because he got into SFU
passenger is still unconscious but driver is fine.
the two met at a party on the day of the crash. He was driving the passenger home. Driver also apparently took a selfie of his bloody face after the crash (im assuming after they were rescued)

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Apparently driver got the car as a gift from his parents because he got into SFU
Hey I got into UBC and only got a GS-R!

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HOLY SHIT! I was in the hospital at the exact same time as this kid was for a minor leg injury, i was next to his friends that were there for him. In the short time i was, some nurse had come out and said to his friends something like "we are trying to get in touch with Social Services and also saying the guy is stating he is very adamant that he DOES NOT want his parents to know about this at all! " she also stated that he was on life support. Me and the guy beside me were like "wtf man??" that is the weirdest thing ever. He is in there about to possibly die and doesn't want his parents to know? But ya thats what happened. I asked his friend what happened and he didn't want to say.

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Hah, the guy must be so proud of himself. Probably didn't learn anything from all this. I hope he kills himself with his next car without hurtin anyone else
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HOLY SHIT! I was in the hospital at the exact same time as this kid was for a minor leg injury, i was next to his friends that were there for him. In the short time i was, some nurse had come out and said to his friends something like "we are trying to get in touch with Social Services and also saying the guy is stating he is very adamant that he DOES NOT want his parents to know about this at all! " she also stated that he was on life support. Me and the guy beside me were like "wtf man??" that is the weirdest thing ever. He is in there about to possibly die and doesn't want his parents to know? But ya thats what happened. I asked his friend what happened and he didn't want to say.
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Gotta love it.

His passenger almost died, and buddy guy's biggest concern is not letting mommy and daddy find out he crashed their car.

Can't believe all I got was a Citizen watch when this idiot gets a C63... jk.

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