Rich kid crashes Benz, and almost dies. We try to figure out the model.

[The_AK]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[IMASA]

Nineteen-year-old Yue Hui Wang has been arrested and charged with criminal negligence causing bodily harm. He had returned to China and was only arrested for this crime at Vancouver Airport when he returned to attend his citizenship ceremony.

I'm kinda disappointed that he was able to leave the country in the first place. Seems like the cops caught a break because he decided to come back for the citizenship ceremony. The guy could've just stayed in China to avoid criminal charges.

[westopher]

Lets see how this goes down.
Goes to court
Has expensive lawyer
Gets 12 months probation and 3 month license suspension
Is driving new huracan in 4 months as a gift for all his pain and suffering of being 3 months without a license and missing his citizenship ceremony.

[Teriyaki]

Wait, he still got his citizenship? Great.

[bcrdukes]

Paging Gulululu for commentary.

[Traum]

When Irene Thorpe was killed in a street racing incident back in 2000, one of the courts gave him a slap on the wrist type of punishment (house arrest only, I think?). From the subsequent uproar, the Immigration department got on the case and tried to deport the street racer since he wasn't a Canadian citizen yet. A couple rounds of court battles later, the Supreme Court deported the guy's a$$ back to India.

The passenger is not quite dead in this case, but why should the system treat this guy any different? I say we throw the (immigration?) book at him again and deport his a$$ back to China.

[jackmeister]

I think any type of serious crime is already grounds to deport permanent resident, or at least have citizenship application rejected.

unfortunately this kid got his citizenship application approved, hence why he was returning for ceremony

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Traum

When Irene Thorpe was killed in a street racing incident back in 2000, one of the courts gave him a slap on the wrist type of punishment (house arrest only, I think?). From the subsequent uproar, the Immigration department got on the case and tried to deport the street racer since he wasn't a Canadian citizen yet. A couple rounds of court battles later, the Supreme Court deported the guy's a$$ back to India.

The passenger is not quite dead in this case, but why should the system treat this guy any different? I say we throw the (immigration?) book at him again and deport his a$$ back to China.

I usually agree with you traum on immigration and politics, but here I've gotta disagree. Once he became a citizen, he's a canadian as much as anyone. Its our courts job to punish him appropriately. I certainly think crimes causing serious injury or death are grounds to deny citizenship application, but revoking it sets a dangerous precedent.

[Retrac]

Why wasn't his application for citizenship delayed? Was there no police investigation going on at the time? I agree that once citizenship is granted it should not be taken away, however citizenship should be at least delayed until any ongoing police investigation is solved. He should have been denied the privilege of becoming a citizen to begin with.

[underscore]

I'm curious to know when his citizenship was approved, surely if there's an ongoing police investigation regarding someone their approval process should be put on hold.

[DragonChi]

Apparently, money does buy citizenship. If he was poor, I doubt he would have gotten in. That and he's in SFU now.

I wonder where the balance is between being criminally negligent and allowing someone citizenship due to wealth.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by westopher

I usually agree with you traum on immigration and politics, but here I've gotta disagree. Once he became a citizen, he's a canadian as much as anyone. Its our courts job to punish him appropriately. I certainly think crimes causing serious injury or death are grounds to deny citizenship application, but revoking it sets a dangerous precedent.

Don't get me wrong, Westopher. I 100% agree with you that we can't revoke his citizenship if it has already been granted. At that point, this 19 year old kid becomes someone our regular justice system would have to deal with.

What is not clear to me is that at the time of his arrest, he has obviously not gone through with the citizenship ceremony yet. Does that still make him fair game for denial of citizenship application? or is the ceremony a mere formality at that point? I am not a legal expert, so I do not have an answer to this question. But if he still qualifies to have his citizenship application denied at that point, I would like to see we follow the precedence of the Indian fellow involved in the Irene Thorpe case and follow through with a similar legal proceeding. If the ceremony is a mere formality, then as I said above, our justice system would just have to deal with him like every other Canadian citizen.

[?NR]

isn't Bill C-24 still in effect?

if so:

The Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) Minister can revoke your citizenship, if it is a routine case.

The Federal Court decides whether to revoke your citizenship, if it is a complex case (e.g. war crimes, crimes against humanity, security, other human or international rights violations, and organized criminality).


so, if convicted he still may lose his newly-acquired citizenship (if someone makes a big stink about it I suppose).

[vitaminG]

Originally Posted by Traum

would like to see we follow the precedence of the Indian fellow involved in the Irene Thorpe case and follow through with a similar legal proceeding.

There's no precedence there, that guy wasn't a Canadian citizen.

The only thing that would matter for a non citizen is if they are sentenced to 6 months or more. it doesn't matter if it was street racing or drug dealing.

[Traum]

The Trudeau government has repealed the changes proposed by Bill C-24. I dunno what exactly that means in legalese, but I think the Citizenship / Immigration minister can't revoke somebody's citizenship -- it would need to go through a federal court, and the bar for citizenship revocation is probably much higher there.

Originally Posted by ?NR

isn't Bill C-24 still in effect?

if so:

The Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) Minister can revoke your citizenship, if it is a routine case.

The Federal Court decides whether to revoke your citizenship, if it is a complex case (e.g. war crimes, crimes against humanity, security, other human or international rights violations, and organized criminality).


so, if convicted he still may lose his newly-acquired citizenship (if someone makes a big stink about it I suppose).

[twitchyzero]

i'm no lawyer but C24 was intended for those committing treason/terrorism...not for motor vehicle act offenses/negligence involving harm

quick someone post his facebook link

[conandoyle]

Originally Posted by nsx042003

People in China never had Playstations and Gran turismo LOL Only until recently did they allow the sales of these consoles in store.

Not really, they got PS3 xbox in grey market as soon as it starts to sell in Japan

[conandoyle]

Originally Posted by Timpo

Yeah in Japan, they take driving very seriously.

You must go to driving school and they have this designated practice track. They won't just take you on the road until you pass all the skills test.
Before you are even allowed to practice on the road, you must prove your examiner that you can do parallel parking, stop & go safely, watch for hazards, how to change lane safely, have full control of the vehicle and all that stuff. After taking driving theory course and passing written test, you can finally go on the road with your instructor.

Amazingly, China has a very similar training process and license system as Japan. You cannot get license by driving you own car. You are only allowed to drive the test car to do your driving test. Not long ago, all the test cars were manual stick. You have to participate the designated program and driving school, at least 3 months to learn drive, park, hill start, mountain roads etc. Upon on graduation, you will have a chance to take written test, track test on designated track, and finally a road test.







Training track test will have the electronic sensors to detect the mistakes. After you pass the designated test on the track, then you can proceed to the road test.
In reality, China is also kinda strict on enforcing traffic laws. They actually have a huge amount of cameras and violation sensors almost in every intersection around the city. If you drive on a solid line, you get ticket notification right away sent to your cellphone, usually come with 1-3 penalty points as well.







I think the problem is more about driving culture rather than the actual training process. If you go to China, you will find everybody driving like dumbass. Motorcyclists are the craziest.

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[320icar]

^^^ From living in Richmond my whole life, I don't believe a word you say.

[TOPEC]

the above mentioned licensing process is actually all true, traffic cameras at almost every major intersection pointing at individual lanes, they're able to spot u from playing on the cell phones to not wearing a seat belt. then again, with china, u can pay ur way out of everything, including obtaining a drivers license.

[IMASA]

Originally Posted by conandoyle

https://youtu.be/__v_OBRz-qM

This video is pretty amazing, that blue car uses its turn signals pretty much all the time.
When it flips over, I noticed that the hazard lights are on. It's like the first thing going through the driver's mind when they flip over is "oh shit, better hit them hazard lights".

[asian_XL]

OT, in China, white people are the only kind people there.

YouTube

[thumper]

Originally Posted by IMASA

This video is pretty amazing, that blue car uses its turn signals pretty much all the time.
When it flips over, I noticed that the hazard lights are on. It's like the first thing going through the driver's mind when they flip over is "oh shit, better hit them hazard lights".

most car manufacturers have the hazard lights programmed to come on automatically with airbag deployment/crash sensor.

eg. bmw

http://www.bmw.com/com/en/insights/t...e=crash_sensor

[LP700-4]

Didn't they originally say 180km/h? Now they bumped it up to 250km/h which is still believable esp in a 507 but on marine drive it's bumpy af would take some balls to hold the gas for that long. Exaggeration for the news?

[320icar]

In the article I'm pretty sure they said that HE told investigators that's how fast he was going. And with modern cars most of them have a black box that records the last ~10 seconds before a crash with info of speed, if brakes were applied, you know, standard OBD2 stuff