| Vancouver Off-Topic / Current Events The off-topic forum for Vancouver, funnies, non-auto centered discussions, WORK SAFE. While the rules are more relaxed here, there are still rules. Please refer to sticky thread in this forum. |
 | | 
05-26-2016, 10:50 AM
|
#8976 | | I have named my kids VIC and VLS
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 38,352
Thanked 15,341 Times in 6,184 Posts
Failed 2,101 Times in 711 Posts
|
On the radio they've been going on all day about how Mccan was a whiner and those times where the Sedins came out saying you need to learn how to be a pro in this league were directed mainly at him and pouting over ice time/how he was being used
__________________
Dank memes cant melt steel beams
| 
|  | |
05-26-2016, 10:58 AM
|
#8977 | | I Will not Admit my Addiction to RS
Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Montreal
Posts: 590
Thanked 324 Times in 144 Posts
Failed 2 Times in 2 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquid_o2  From everything I have read about Gudbranson, he is a 4th d-man at best, with average skills in every category. He will never top 20 points in a season, and he doesn't do anything bad, but he isn't great at anything either. Good skating, decent first pass, decent hockey IQ. He is a big body to clear the front of the net, and is supposedly great in the locker room. Probably not going to ever be a Top pairing d-man, unless he radically changes in Vancouver.
I'm fine with losing McCann for Gudbranson, but that 2nd round pick is going to hurt. A lot. 33rd overall could have possibly allowed Vancouver to select that type of d-man if they scouts did their job. There are usually some major gems early in the 2nd round of every draft.
Plus, isn't Tryamkin almost exactly the same as Gudbranson? Why have two players that play a similar game? Additionally, Gudbranson has one season left at $3.5 million. He is going to want a raise after that. Is a stay at home defenseman who averages 10 points a season worth $5 million a year or more?
I was hoping the Canucks would select Julolevi in the 5th spot, but now it looks like it will be Dubois (if he is still available at 5). Not a bad choice, but I think the Canucks really really need a strong puck moving defenseman that can anchor a powerplay, because this team currently has 0 players that can do the job. Maybe Hutton, but that remains to be seen.
I think this is a trade that Canucks fans will regret in a couple years. | Honestly, that 33rd OVA pick was overrated. Percentages of a decent NHL'er at that pick is poor, ~15% chance of success. Most of the time they are career minor leaguers. This draft has a pretty big drop-off in terms of talent past the top-20 prospects. I'd rather lose the 2nd rounder and get a young d-man that's already proven to handle minutes against top-line guys.
Florida is absolutely the best spot for us to trade McCann. He'll be stuck behind Bjustad and Trochek. He's not going to be very successful as a 3rd line centre and if they try him out at wing, Florida already has great depth in that position as well.
Tryamkin is unproven though and more importantly, Gudbranson and Hutton are the same age and will progress at the same rate together. It's important that we don't have a huge gap in where players are in terms of progression.
__________________
"Happiness lies in the joy of achievement and the thrill of creative effort"
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 11:20 AM
|
#8978 | | My homepage has been set to RS
Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: somewhere in bc
Posts: 2,125
Thanked 825 Times in 330 Posts
Failed 263 Times in 78 Posts
|
Our best offensive centre under 30 traded. I am done until Benning is gone. Gudbranson is not top-4 quality -- what a god damn waste of assets.
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 11:21 AM
|
#8979 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 2,945
Thanked 1,123 Times in 533 Posts
Failed 71 Times in 38 Posts
|
If he can prove next season that he's a $6 million dman, I'm all for it. But for now, his offensive game doesn't justify that amount.
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 11:22 AM
|
#8980 | | My homepage has been set to RS
Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: East Van
Posts: 2,160
Thanked 854 Times in 422 Posts
Failed 22 Times in 18 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by AWDTurboLuvr Honestly, that 33rd OVA pick was overrated. Percentages of a decent NHL'er at that pick is poor, ~15% chance of success. Most of the time they are career minor leaguers. This draft has a pretty big drop-off in terms of talent past the top-20 prospects. I'd rather lose the 2nd rounder and get a young d-man that's already proven to handle minutes against top-line guys.
Florida is absolutely the best spot for us to trade McCann. He'll be stuck behind Bjustad and Trochek. He's not going to be very successful as a 3rd line centre and if they try him out at wing, Florida already has great depth in that position as well.
Tryamkin is unproven though and more importantly, Gudbranson and Hutton are the same age and will progress at the same rate together. It's important that we don't have a huge gap in where players are in terms of progression. | Actually draft picks 31 through 35 have a 34% chance of playing at least 100 games in the NHL. Decent odds. Especially when DimJim's best quality is prospect assessment and drafting. There is a guy named Thatcher Demko who was picked several years back at #36 overall. Not too bad of a pickup. #31 that year was Brendan Lemeiux and #33 was Ivan Barbashev.
Early 2nd round isn't guaranteed, but usually some guys who were potential 1st round picks fall to the early 2nd round and can end up being a solid player.
Florida was smart. They could see that Gudbranson isn't going to progress into a stud d-man, and why pay the guy $5+ million a year if he isn't going to crack their top 2 pairings.
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 11:23 AM
|
#8981 | | My homepage has been set to RS
Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: somewhere in bc
Posts: 2,125
Thanked 825 Times in 330 Posts
Failed 263 Times in 78 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by highfive If he can prove next season that he's a $6 million dman, I'm all for it. But for now, his offensive game doesn't justify that amount. | He doesn't have an offensive game. Think Willie Mitchell, except slightly taller.
I'll leave this here: http://www.tsn.ca/panthers-take-adva...trade-1.496247
"Truthfully, it’s difficult to see what Vancouver sees in this deal. If the prize is Gudbranson, well, the prize is something like a third-pairing defender. And the premium they paid – a legitimate prospect and multiple picks – is, in a word, inexplicable.
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 11:35 AM
|
#8982 | | .
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 8,733
Thanked 5,474 Times in 2,095 Posts
Failed 418 Times in 188 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by iwantaskyline He doesn't have an offensive game. Think Willie Mitchell, except slightly taller. | Yup read that Gudbranson is basically a younger Willie Mitchell. Not much offence, decent skater, great hitter, blocks shots, mean as shit, shut down type of guy.
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 11:51 AM
|
#8983 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Tres Ciudades
Posts: 5,407
Thanked 3,680 Times in 1,522 Posts
Failed 150 Times in 53 Posts
|
there's just something about Benning trades that piss me off because its just so counter intuitive and reveals his crippling inability to orchestrate trades
like sending off Zack Kassian with a late pick for Brandon fucking Prust, sure both team lost but at least the Habs get a pick out of it. Sure, shots of that pick becoming an NHL player is low percentage but its better than a Canucks 2016 fifth round pick turning into a player which is hovering at, oh let me check my graphs, wait, never mind, zero fucking percent.
There's something unecessary about adding those picks. You can argue day in and day out that those picks have low chances of becoming NHL players but at the end the day, low chance is better than no chance. At this rate, we're stuck with another draft where, barring some sort of miracle or intellectual breakthrough by Benning, looks like we'll have exactly 3 fucking picks in the first 5 rounds. You build by the draft, no ifs and buts about it. When you're trading away assets that are on the ice already, at least recoup by gaining the ability to pluck more assets. Here's Benning, who's supposed strength is in scouting, shitting away prospects and all these picks when the prospect cupboard is just as fucking bare as a chalkboard counting exactly how many times the Campbell Trophy has been touched. For what? Fucking no names and reject pieces from other teams that are ahead of the development curve but have pretty significantly diminished potentials.
Seriously, I can't even look at that tweet with the list of Benning trades right now. The guy is a total fucking moron when it comes to trading, asset management and contracts. Which is basically what you do as a fucking GM.
__________________
"There's a lot of dead people who had the right of way."
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
"I have a lot of beliefs, and I live by none of them. They're just my beliefs, they make me feel good about who I am. But if they get in the way of a thing I want, like I wanna jack off or something, I just do that." | |
| | |
05-26-2016, 11:53 AM
|
#8984 |
Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kansai/Van
Posts: 2,459
Thanked 934 Times in 451 Posts
Failed 79 Times in 52 Posts
|
the people in the media that are slagging the deal are those that rely 100% on analytics, which is still not proven to show the truth about players.
imo eye test is still the best way to tell, and the deal was worth it minus the 2nd. should of been a 3rd or cbj's 2nd
__________________
meow meow meow meow meow. CATS!!!
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 12:54 PM
|
#8985 | | .
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 8,733
Thanked 5,474 Times in 2,095 Posts
Failed 418 Times in 188 Posts
|
Apparently Florida wouldn't have done the deal without the 2nd.
Oilers and Leafs were also interested in Gudbranson.
Oilers supposedly offered Yakupov + 2nd but Panthers liked McCann more
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 01:01 PM
|
#8987 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Tres Ciudades
Posts: 5,407
Thanked 3,680 Times in 1,522 Posts
Failed 150 Times in 53 Posts
|
damn...i'm surprised they turned down Yak AND a 2nd from the oilers
really shows you that the analytics guys have quite a bit of power in FLA Quote:
Originally Posted by 7seven | 
__________________
"There's a lot of dead people who had the right of way."
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
"I have a lot of beliefs, and I live by none of them. They're just my beliefs, they make me feel good about who I am. But if they get in the way of a thing I want, like I wanna jack off or something, I just do that." | |
| | |
05-26-2016, 01:12 PM
|
#8988 | | Where's my RS Christmas Lobster?!
Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Vancouver BC
Posts: 877
Thanked 345 Times in 167 Posts
Failed 18 Times in 13 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by 7seven | All the other GMs would be happy to hear that...  | |
| | |
05-26-2016, 01:18 PM
|
#8989 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Tres Ciudades
Posts: 5,407
Thanked 3,680 Times in 1,522 Posts
Failed 150 Times in 53 Posts
|
Canucks sign another physical (albeit smaller) former Leafs prospect to a 1 year two way deal
Tom Nilsson - Right hand shot - 22 years old Hockey's Future - Tom Nilsson Tom Nilsson hockey statistics and profile at hockeydb.com
__________________
"There's a lot of dead people who had the right of way."
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
"I have a lot of beliefs, and I live by none of them. They're just my beliefs, they make me feel good about who I am. But if they get in the way of a thing I want, like I wanna jack off or something, I just do that." | |
| | |
05-26-2016, 01:25 PM
|
#8990 | | RS has made me the bitter person i am today!
Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bootyville
Posts: 4,638
Thanked 2,617 Times in 900 Posts
Failed 496 Times in 162 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by jeedee Apparently Florida wouldn't have done the deal without the 2nd.
Oilers and Leafs were also interested in Gudbranson.
Oilers supposedly offered Yakupov + 2nd but Panthers liked McCann more | The new regime in Toronto stays pretty quiet about what it intends to do but I am curious to know what was offered, especially given the Oilers offer and the deal itself.
__________________
LEAFS! | |
| | |
05-26-2016, 01:43 PM
|
#8991 | | I contribute to threads in the offtopic forum
Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: vancouver
Posts: 2,863
Thanked 229 Times in 101 Posts
Failed 10 Times in 5 Posts
|
__________________
vancouver canucks hockey
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 02:09 PM
|
#8992 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Tres Ciudades
Posts: 5,407
Thanked 3,680 Times in 1,522 Posts
Failed 150 Times in 53 Posts
|
seeing as Subban is a Gillis pick, maybe he'll fetch a 2nd round at the draft 
__________________
"There's a lot of dead people who had the right of way."
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
"I have a lot of beliefs, and I live by none of them. They're just my beliefs, they make me feel good about who I am. But if they get in the way of a thing I want, like I wanna jack off or something, I just do that." | |
| | |
05-26-2016, 02:26 PM
|
#8993 | | WOAH! i think Vtec just kicked in!
Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Port Moody
Posts: 1,666
Thanked 1,158 Times in 391 Posts
Failed 86 Times in 38 Posts
|
Not a bad trade, still think it was too early to give up on Mccann, but Gudbranson is only 24 and has a couple more years to solidify himself as either a top 4 guy or a bottom 2.
That 2nd rounder though is a fucking knife in the back. Suck shit this year to get a reasonable draft order selection just to start trading them away.
Our defensive cupboards are full of middle tier defensemen, Watch this mother fucker jimbo grab russell. SMH
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 02:31 PM
|
#8994 |
Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kansai/Van
Posts: 2,459
Thanked 934 Times in 451 Posts
Failed 79 Times in 52 Posts
|
something has to be happening to sbisa. no way they role with a sbisa tryamkin pairing. that would be a disaster.
__________________
meow meow meow meow meow. CATS!!!
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 02:56 PM
|
#8995 | | OMGWTFBBQ is a common word I say everyday
Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Tres Ciudades
Posts: 5,407
Thanked 3,680 Times in 1,522 Posts
Failed 150 Times in 53 Posts
|
Sbisa for a 2nd round pick?
lol...don't think there are any takers with his cap hit though
Benning has been on record many times saying that he intends to carry as much dmen in the NHL roster as he can. He's got enough now without re-signing garbage like Bartkowski so i think Sbisa stays
__________________
"There's a lot of dead people who had the right of way."
"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
"I have a lot of beliefs, and I live by none of them. They're just my beliefs, they make me feel good about who I am. But if they get in the way of a thing I want, like I wanna jack off or something, I just do that." | |
| | |
05-26-2016, 03:07 PM
|
#8996 | Ebisu Boss
Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Side
Posts: 4,048
Thanked 1,889 Times in 705 Posts
Failed 76 Times in 29 Posts
|
I'm gonna stay positive and hope Gudbranson can develop into a solid 2nd pairing eating big minutes and holding his own. Season hasn't started yet and he's already under fire...
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 03:40 PM
|
#8997 | | RS.net, helping ugly ppl have sex since 2001
Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Vancouver
Posts: 9,674
Thanked 3,846 Times in 1,888 Posts
Failed 694 Times in 218 Posts
|
OMG, Stamkos is playing game 7. Interesting. 
__________________
Go Canucks go!
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 03:48 PM
|
#8998 | | Performance Moderator
Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Richmond
Posts: 17,325
Thanked 18,279 Times in 6,145 Posts
Failed 294 Times in 190 Posts
|
I was kinda mad about the 2nd round pick too... But If you stop and think about it, whatever you think of Benning, the one thing he without a doubt knows is drafting right? If he didn't think there was anything worthwhile at 33 then the pick was expendable, simple as that in my mind.
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 04:16 PM
|
#8999 | Ebisu Boss
Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Side
Posts: 4,048
Thanked 1,889 Times in 705 Posts
Failed 76 Times in 29 Posts
| Quote:
Originally Posted by pastarocket OMG, Stamkos is playing game 7. Interesting. | Wow, that's dramatic. Goosebumps, missing the entire playoffs with blood clots but coming in for game 7.
| |
| | |
05-26-2016, 04:19 PM
|
#9000 | Ebisu Boss
Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: West Side
Posts: 4,048
Thanked 1,889 Times in 705 Posts
Failed 76 Times in 29 Posts
|
Hoping he makes a big impact! I'm cheering for Tampa, Garrison for the cup!
| |
| | | |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
| | |
All times are GMT -8. The time now is 08:03 PM.
|
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!
The banners on the left side and below do not show for registered users!
