Federal Elections 2015

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Ludepower

Im voting Trudeau...because he'll decriminalize marijuana.

It strikes a nerve in me that a simple issue can go on for this long.
It's inevitable that marijuana will be legalize with millennials growing up and these old farts dying.

We need to stop with old school fear mongering and start thinking progressively.

According to harper it's way worse than tobacco.

You should checkout votetogether.ca The more Liberals and NDP that get elected the better.

[Hondaracer]

Strategically voting just to get the ruling party out is fucking pathetic.

Also, if you're main reasoning behind voting liberal is the weed issue you're fucked too. I understand the tax implications of it all. However, if your agenda is simply "legalize it" it's basically legal already.. Anyone can walk into a dispencery and grab virtually as much as they need and smoke it practically anywhere. You really need it legalized?

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Strategically voting just to get the ruling party out is fucking pathetic.

Also, if you're main reasoning behind voting liberal is the weed issue you're fucked too. I understand the tax implications of it all. However, if your agenda is simply "legalize it" it's basically legal already.. Anyone can walk into a dispencery and grab virtually as much as they need and smoke it practically anywhere. You really need it legalized?

How can you criticize someone for voting for a leader that supports his views? You might think it's "pathetic" but this is something he would go to jail for in some countries - in some he'd never see the light of day. But here he is, in Canada, trying to elect a leader who will decriminalize it on a federal level. Eventually it could lead to some other important changes that could put Canada ahead of the rest of the world in many other social issues as well. That's not what I'd call "pathetic" or "fucked".

What's pathetic is basing your vote on whether people can wear burkas. What's fucked is supporting a war that we have no reason to be a part of.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

Strategically voting just to get the ruling party out is fucking pathetic.

Also, if you're main reasoning behind voting liberal is the weed issue you're fucked too. I understand the tax implications of it all. However, if your agenda is simply "legalize it" it's basically legal already.. Anyone can walk into a dispencery and grab virtually as much as they need and smoke it practically anywhere. You really need it legalized?

Well the Libs and NDP policies are more inline with my beliefs and weed may be easy to get in B.C. it's not the same in the rest of Canada. The cons are threatening to shut down dispensaries. They already banned flavored rolling papers and blunt wraps starting December 15th. With the cons out the government would not mast tax payers money on this:

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Also it's a more important issue than someones hare or what a person wears. Those 2 issues seem to be the most important with the cons.

[murd0c]

I'm voting today after work!! VOTE PEOPLE VOTE!!!

[Hondaracer]

I can get on board with people who actually have an informed opinion regarding the other parties. But it's seemingly "trendy" to use that strategic voting site amongst young people simply to try and get the conservatives out because they see shit on Facebook etc.

Amongst my siblings friends they are using the site to vote but don't know a single thing about the riding or candidates within it. They simply "want Harper out"

I really hope for some that it turns out like the HST, uninformed voters voting liberal etc. for in their mind a "gain" persoanlly albeit short term. Thinking tax breaks for "the middle class" will benefit them. Ultimately when the small business taxes, personal taxes, and taxing the "wealthiest" I hope that all those people running small business making the 80-300k a year who essentially drive the entire economy are forced to lay off the bottom % of losers who voted themselves into a corner by driving up the taxes for the very people and companies who employ them.

[westopher]

What's really pathetic is so many of the conservative supporters hoping for a disaster if the cons get voted out just so they can tell everyone "I told you so."

Shouldn't you be happy if a positive change is made in this country?
Jesus Christ what a stupid fucking attitude to have.

I want whoever is voted in, wether it be the party I have voted for or not to make some positive changes in this country based on environmental policies and reducing inequality. If that ends up being the conservatives after all that I'd be happy to say they did a good job IF they actually do. The attitude that people have that they are always right and are never willing to change their opinions when they learn something is what makes somebody a stupid, ignorant person.

[6o4__boi]

I find it hilarious that the people who support Harper because "he's good for the economy" actually have no fucking clue about his economic record and policies.

And often have no clue about economics at all.

[murd0c]

With the way our economy is going we need a government change plain and simple.

[SkinnyPupp]

Originally Posted by westopher

What's really pathetic is so many of the conservative supporters hoping for a disaster if the cons get voted out just so they can tell everyone "I told you so."

Shouldn't you be happy if a positive change is made in this country?
Jesus Christ what a stupid fucking attitude to have.

That attitude is common amongst most who would vote conservative

"Them damn hippies don't know how bad they'll fuck things up for themselves if they take away my guns and money!"

[Hondaracer]

That's Politics.

[westopher]

Politics =/= ignorance.

[Hondaracer]

I highly doubt there are too many democratic societies on this planet who vote for "their" party thinking "I'll be happy either way"

[underscore]

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

How can you criticize someone for voting for a leader that supports his views? You might think it's "pathetic" but this is something he would go to jail for in some countries - in some he'd never see the light of day. But here he is, in Canada, trying to elect a leader who will decriminalize it on a federal level. Eventually it could lead to some other important changes that could put Canada ahead of the rest of the world in many other social issues as well. That's not what I'd call "pathetic" or "fucked".

What's pathetic is basing your vote on whether people can wear burkas. What's fucked is supporting a war that we have no reason to be a part of.

Anyone who votes based on a single issue should be open to being criticized. If someone is willing to ignore things like the economy, environment, foreign policy, etc because they're only concerned with burkas, weed or guns I think they're a fucking idiot and probably have a bit of a problem with one thing or another.

Originally Posted by SkinnyPupp

That attitude is common amongst most who would vote conservative

"Them damn hippies don't know how bad they'll fuck things up for themselves if they take away my guns and money!"

Of course the counter stupidity is those who think everything instantly improves by replacing Harper with anyone, without actually looking into any of the other candidates. I'm not saying it won't happen, but blindly voting for people isn't a good policy.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by Hondaracer

I highly doubt there are too many democratic societies on this planet who vote for "their" party thinking "I'll be happy either way"

Clearly, this is going over your head. I don't think I'll be happy if we vote Harper back in, but I don't hope he ruins the fucking country so I can tell some idiot "I was right."

[Hondaracer]

My opinions are based on the history of the parties involved. It's hard to be optimistic when I look back at their track record on the key items that concern/directly effect me. So in the end if a party that comes into power does what I suspect they might do, it will justify my opinion and my views against them.

Don't act like any three of these parties don't have the capacity to completely fuck up the country, clearly they do and have in the past. Therefore I'm just throwing my support behind who I think has the best interests for myself personally and the aspects that effect me directly.

While I've got the money on a conservative minority, I think that's just going to be a shit show of debate and veto's on critical topics that should be addressed directly. However, in most ways I feel like getting nothing done at all is better than the potential of what either the NDP or liberals have the capacity to do.

[Mr.HappySilp]

Originally Posted by murd0c

With the way our economy is going we need a government change plain and simple.

Yes because spending billions of tax payers money is the way the go. I always want to know if billions of money is spent on social programs where is the money coming from? No party ever gives a clear answer coz they know we won't like it. Money can only come from a few ways
1. Increase income tax
2. Increase corp tax
3 Borrow more thus increasing debt and future generations will have to pay for it.

SO is your pick which options you like to pick.

[Hondaracer]

"The way our economy is going"

You mean billions of dollars in surplus?

[westopher]

Lol 1.9 billion hardly constitutes the term "billions."
Does that make up for the deficits of $55.6 billion in 2009-10, $33.4 billion in 2010-11, $26.3 billion in 2011-12, $18.4 billion for 2012-13 and $5.2 billion for 2013-14?
He is literally run over 100 billion in deficit over the last 6 years.

[7seven]

If anyone is voting purely only based on 1 specific issue, I find that extremely short sighted. Let's face it, all parties, Conservatives, Liberals, NDP, won't be able to deliver or keep all their campaign promises/platforms, so I find the best method is to have an overall look at the platforms and ideals, rank what is at the top of your personal priority list and take it from there. Anyone insulting someone for voting for one party just because it doesn't agree with their views is ridiculous.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm voting for Harper and the Conservatives as the issues that are at the top of my priority list are security/military and finances/taxes. Being involved as a PMC overseas and seen some of the things going on behind the scenes that most don't, I see the practical value and application of Bill C-51 for the most part. I support the increase in TFSA contribution limits, low corporate and small business rates, lower personal taxes and Nothern Gateway and other pipelines as it is a safer and more efficient method to transport oil than by rail.

It's not that I don't care about the other issues, but they are just personally lower on my personal list of priorities and concerns, such as stricter environmental regulations, legalizing marijuana (which I agree with, just not as important an issue for me compared to other issues) and social spending/programs. Everyone just vote on what ideals and policies are at the top of your personal priority list, no need to behave like children insulting someone for not voting for your party or being concerned with issues you find important.

[AWDTurboLuvr]

Trying to base the success of the economy on the size of deficit or surplus is incorrect. If GDP growth is next to nothing and median incomes have flatlined, then what's the point of trying to save a small surplus? That kind of economic strategy is terrible. I'm all for running a deficit to invest in infrastructure, education and technology try to jump start the Canadian economy.

[carisear]

everyone who uses 'strategic voting' basically are one-issue voters. they are the one-issue of A-B-C. It's obvious that they don't really care who their vote goes for, or what any of the parties represent, as long as it's not conservative.

I don't find anything wrong with being a single issue voter. that's what elections are all about. you pander to what you think the voters want. if the majority of people all believe that people should be forced to wear banana's on their head, then why isn't that a good reason?

I'm most concerned about keeping the most of my money. I couldn't give a fuck about niqabs, weed, making sure transgendered dogs are protected ... but I also respect the people who believe converting cities to all greenspace is their priority.

[westopher]

I'm not basing our economy on that at all, merely pointing out yet again hondaracer is spouting off facts he hasn't even bothered to verify.

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by westopher

I'm not basing our economy on that at all, merely pointing out yet again hondaracer is spouting off facts he hasn't even bothered to verify.

Conservatives promise surpluses in the billions, if re-elected - NEWS 1130

[westopher]

OH WOW THEY PROMISED IT IT MUST BE ALREADY HAPPENING!!!!!
Lots of parties (all of them) will make promises they can't keep. This could easily be one of them.
Every single party has promised to grow the economy in some form or another, what makes the conservatives a guarantee and the others unrealistic?