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Kinda cool I guess. Actually fuck it, it's not. I feel like the "M" badge has been tossed around by BMW like a Thai hooker so I'm kind of anesthetized to anything they come out with. The more car manufacturers come out with new, exciting, revolutionary automobiles I find myself loving the older stuff more and more. If my neighbor bought one and showed up one day with it, I'd take one look at my ITR in the garage and think "thank God" : phew:
In defense of the 1M, it's the rarity of the car that boasts the excitement overall. Yeah, the car is nice and has that toss-ability to it but it's nothing crazy or out of this world. I like the fact that BMW made a car that eclipsed the M3 slightly then they discontinued it fearing it would eat into their M3 sales. THAT is cool and worth noting; hence the current price tag for a pre-owned one.
As a marketing guy, this is the future of branding. The trick is stop trusting branding in itself and look and particular examples of great product. If putting M badges on everything means BMW brings in more revenue so they can offer a fantastic product here and there that's totally cool with me.
^ unfortunately BMW is taking all those incremental m brand car profits and pumping it into the i line and not back into the m brand. At least Porsche sells more cayennes to fund a better 911
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^ unfortunately BMW is taking all those incremental m brand car profits and pumping it into the i line and not back into the m brand. At least Porsche sells more cayennes to fund a better 911
Completely off-topic but the thread seems to have died anyways.
Not many people truly understand the i-Series BMWs. BMW i-series (although i3 is seriously ugly-AF) is a major game changer for the automotive industry.
i3: Body on full-aluminum frame, full carbon fibre construction -- no aluminum frame bracing or anything. Even the rollover protection A/B pillars. You don't find tech like this on anything but $1MM+ hypercars.
From a engineering/manufacturing perspective, BMW has created the first full carbon-fibre car + resin injection molding system that does not require an expensive and time-consuming autoclave process. There isn't an aluminum frame needed for panel mounting like in other CF cars. No rivets or mounting brackets are required anywhere, as the resin injection system also creates all of the necessary mounting points (out of resin). Tooling for the i3 is about 1/3 the cost for a conventional car -- $150MM vs $450MM for a regular 10-panel metal car. Along with all of this, BMW can pump an i3 off the line sub-5 minutes!. BMW has spent something like $2 Billion on R&D since 2003 to finally get to this point.
Absolutely insane and they're able to sell the damn thing for $50k AND make a decent profit.
i-Series is seriously the future of car manufacturing. BMW is so ahead of the game on this -- they are like NASA when compared with other car brands.
I'll attach two videos for anyone curious. Total time is a bit long but if you care about automotive manufacturing tech/ the future of cars this shit is highly recommended and beyond pornographic.
Disclaimer: I'm typing out of my ass so I apologize for probably getting a lot of numbers wrong.
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I definitely agree with you on that. For me it comes down to, am I willing to sacrifice the old feel for new creature comforts, warranty, emissions and more importantly safety? As someone who has been in a pretty serious crash, safety is paramount, and you just can't compete with new cars. A car like this may have lost some feel with the electronic LSD, electronic steering, drive by wire etc, but I doubt its not a fun car still. I'm not moving to a newer car, but I can certainly understand the reasoning. This seems like they are really doing their best to keep up that old feel and still be able to sell cars.
No, BMW has been selling out for years. In order to pursue volume, they've driven cost out of the product and the cars' precise road feel has paid the price. The M-Division is mostly tarting up the pig like GM used to do at the Pontiac performance division to cars designed as Chevrolets.
Pretty much the only affordable automaker that hasn't sold out the enthusiast is Porsche.
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Sorry to bump an older thread..
But I might have missed it
What's the Canadian msrp on this?
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$64k?
tofu where are you?
I believe they are $61K? Also come fully loaded so no extras for exce/premium/tech package.
Which i think is a pretty good price since a loaded M235i cost about $53K, so only 8K more for the M. In comparison, a loaded M3/M4 is almost $25K more than a 335i/435i
what the heck is "smokers package"? a cigarette lighter and ashtray?
and what is "speed limit info"? being an M2, would i care?
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Couldn't agree more. On paper and the performance of the car is so far removed from the actual driver skill that you'd have to drive it at 1/10ths at a time and that it's not exciting to drive at legal speeds.
For me it's always been leaps and bounds more fun driving a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
But then torque becomes a factor. The new turbocharged BMW's have so much more torque that is accessible for everyday driving. Whereas NAs really need to be wrung out. Yes it is rewarding, so I guess it's the matter of daily vs weekend car.
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The M2 is quite the bargain! it sucks M cars are don't have exclusive drivetrains and suspensions like before, but for $61K, that is a bargain. Heck a Camaro ZL1 or a base Corvette C7 cost more than that!
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ask tofu. he has customer orders for the M2 and a lurker here is getting the GTS
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61k? That's cheaper than a fully loaded 335. Damn.
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This year's trip is $5900 taxes in based on double occupancy. Everything is included except flights. I think the highlight for the trip this year would be the private track day at Salzburg Ring.
I was on the trip last year and our group drove on some of the best roads Europe had to offer. Stelvio Pass, Fluela Pass and a section of the Monte Carlo Rally.
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