Official: Type R Thread

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by Hakkaboy

Aren't SE's just base model RS with spoiler + 14 inch SE rims instead of a LS which should come with the moonroof + 15 inch GS meshies?

Yup, the RS was replaced by the SE in 00 and 01.
LS had the moonroof and GS = LS + leather seats IIRC

[GIZZ]

Originally Posted by tofu1413

^ didnt recall the yellow 156k car being a swapped cluster car.

the ad says has a jdm cluster installed and the stock cluster included.

Originally Posted by Hakkaboy

Aren't SE's just base model RS with spoiler + 14 inch SE rims instead of a LS which should come with the moonroof + 15 inch GS meshies?

That's what you want, no sunroof. RS/SE/ITR all lighter than an EK9 CTR

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by GIZZ

That's what you want, no sunroof. RS/SE/ITR all lighter than an EK9 CTR

And has a quicker power steering rack than the EK's, not sure about the EK9 though.

Wonder how much of a difference it would handle once you start modding an SE vs the same mods on an ITR on the track.

[GIZZ]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

And has a quicker power steering rack than the EK's, not sure about the EK9 though.

Wonder how much of a difference it would handle once you start modding an SE vs the same mods on an ITR on the track.

Probably handle the same once it's built up for the track.

It's the same chassis except for the bolt on front tower bar, that tiny rear subframe bar welded between the lower control arms mount points. ITR is supposed to have heavier gauge rear crossmember, wheel wells and rear body rails and gussets under sheet metal.

Everything will be modded anyway. If someone were to build a racecar to beat on, I doubt anybody would start with an ITR vs $1000 car.

[teggy604]

Originally Posted by GIZZ

There is no way they should get $50G for that ITR with 156,000 kms. And the cluster was swapped, who knows the real mileage on it. Big $ cars need to have low mileage and be stock. This is just another driven integra, makes more sense to buy this 01 se, mod it and enjoy racking up the odometer. https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van...256520605.html

like what twitchyzero said a clean stock, low km one will go $80K.
so that will drive all the other ITR up as well. There are 3 on CL right now. $33k, $39K, $50K lol. Even the JDM ITR are now selling for $20K.

[Iron Chef]

Anyone that is into ITR, S2000, NSX, E30 M3’s now a days are not in it for that value proposition so really you can gtfo with the “ it’s not worth it I can build it for cheaper” argument

A clean title drivers grade itr is 30g’s. 20g’s worth of mugen parts will never depreciate. Whether you accept that or not it doesn’t matter because that’s the world we live in.

[GIZZ]

So you're buying the one for $50?

If you want an ITR to park and appreciate, these 3 cars for sale locally right now aren't the ones to buy. If you want a daily driver ITR cuz you want an ITR, unless you're made of money these aren't the ones to buy.

The one that sold on BAT last Monday had 39K kms, sold for $31K usd. Weak usd now too. Mileage a little high for top dollar, but that's the money the seller got for it. Are you going to say a car with 39K kms and a car with 157K kms are worth the same money? You basically did.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Iron Chef

A clean title drivers grade itr is 30g’s. 20g’s worth of mugen parts will never depreciate.

So cars depreciate unless you happen to have just the right one, in which case it doesn't. Mods add minimal value to anything, and usually detract from the value of the few cars that didn't depreciate, unless you happened to pick just the right mods which apparently also don't depreciate.

Cars are fucking weird.

[twitchyzero]

says pending now...pretty incredible considering ad only had 1 photo
cant say i've seen 3 examples posted locally at once in a long while

i dont like it either but in clean drivers condition they're over original sticker price now
https://www.automobilemag.com/news/a...s-market-watch

top dollar is 60k+ now
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...gra-type-r-38/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...gra-type-r-16/

dont forget importation fees duty etc. if you wanna have a fair comparison

[teggy604]

I'd say if its Mugen or Spoon parts its just as good if not better than OEM. I mean after all Mugen and Spoon is "technically" the performance specialist of Honda.

As for the 31K USD ITR that sold on BAT, kudos to the buyer. That was a steal. You will probably see that ITR back on the market, and it will likely sell for more than 31K USD.

[westopher]

Originally Posted by underscore

So cars depreciate unless you happen to have just the right one, in which case it doesn't. Mods add minimal value to anything, and usually detract from the value of the few cars that didn't depreciate, unless you happened to pick just the right mods which apparently also don't depreciate.

Cars are fucking weird.

These cars will likely depreciate again. Look at the muscle car/boomer spike that happened decades ago. Those cars don't command that money anymore, especially when inflation is factored in.
Realistically 20 years from now people aren't gonna really care about this generation of cars like the e30/36 m3, s2k, ITRs, etc. Even the testarossas, and the 348s will see it. The people turning 35-40 will be looking for their dream cars of the 2020s, like 570s, 488s, f80s etc and will laugh at us old farts with our 200hp death traps, and we will have to be selling them to pay for our kids 200k/year college tuition and 700k 5% down payments for a micro condo in the cities they grew up in at this rate.

[twitchyzero]

the generation that likes supra will be around for a while
higher end like gt350 sure but cant see current sports compact appreciating significantly besides something like the gr yaris or the yellow ctr

[westopher]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

the generation that likes supra will be around for a while
higher end like gt350 sure but cant see current sports compact appreciating significantly besides something like the gr yaris or the yellow ctr

Yeah the thing is, there are so few modern comparables. Like, I can't fathom a generation where this 3 series, golf, or things like that will be classics like a regular e30 or mk2 could be considered like that. Car makers have given up on, well, cars. Everything is a fucking SUV these days, so who knows what the next generation holds for car enthusiasts, or if they even exist in the future like they do now.

[320icar]

Originally Posted by westopher

everything is a fucking SUV these days, so who knows what the next generation holds for car enthusiasts, or if they even exist in the future like they do now.

Have you seen the new ford maverick? You know, the subcompact car from the 80’s?? It’s a 4 door truck now. Just like how the mustang is now a 4 door SUV.

[twitchyzero]

coronavirus pre-production camo?

[underscore]

Originally Posted by westopher

These cars will likely depreciate again. Look at the muscle car/boomer spike that happened decades ago. Those cars don't command that money anymore, especially when inflation is factored in.
Realistically 20 years from now people aren't gonna really care about this generation of cars like the e30/36 m3, s2k, ITRs, etc. Even the testarossas, and the 348s will see it. The people turning 35-40 will be looking for their dream cars of the 2020s, like 570s, 488s, f80s etc and will laugh at us old farts with our 200hp death traps, and we will have to be selling them to pay for our kids 200k/year college tuition and 700k 5% down payments for a micro condo in the cities they grew up in at this rate.

I think it'll fluctuate a few times, part of why they're spiking now is people have realized you can't buy proper modern equivalents to them. The modern cars will have their own rebound once it hits the point where you can't buy cars like them either, but too many can end up off the road too easily with how technical they are once OEM part supplies dry up. If the EMS in an ITR fries you can go standalone pretty easily and be on your way. What are you going to do when some of the multitude of control systems in a current car fries? Some stuff you can delete but even mundane things are now computer controlled.

Long term I would think most will tank in value with a few exceptions when we hit the point that gas cars (and then user-operated cars) are directly or indirectly banned from use on the road. At least my car is already worthless so I don't need to worry about selling it at the last second, just enjoying it as much as I can before that day comes.

[320icar]

Originally Posted by underscore

What are you going to do when some of the multitude of control systems in a current car fries? Some stuff you can delete but even mundane things are now computer controlled.

This. For example I’m trying to bypass the exterior ambient temp sensor to stop forcing the vehicle to run AC when cold out. I unplugged the sensor and was locked out of all drive modes, was given an AWD fault and locked to fwd mode.

Because I unplugged the passenger side mirror...

[Iron Chef]

It’s clear you don’t find the value of the ITR or the parts that this one has, so It would be a waste of time to try to convince you. The bottom line is we’re at a point where you need to spend 30g’s to get into a clean title ITR , and there’s people lining up out the door that are willing to pay those prices.

If you had a hard on for a py ITR with top shelf Mugen parts this one is worth every penny. It’s turn key and ready to go.

The one that sold on Bat is pretty beat and needs a good 20g restoration to bring it clean oem condition. If you want to mugen it out add another 20g’s

Originally Posted by GIZZ

So you're buying the one for $50?

If you want an ITR to park and appreciate, these 3 cars for sale locally right now aren't the ones to buy. If you want a daily driver ITR cuz you want an ITR, unless you're made of money these aren't the ones to buy.

The one that sold on BAT last Monday had 39K kms, sold for $31K usd. Weak usd now too. Mileage a little high for top dollar, but that's the money the seller got for it. Are you going to say a car with 39K kms and a car with 157K kms are worth the same money? You basically did.

[GIZZ]

Originally Posted by Iron Chef

It’s clear you don’t find the value of the ITR or the parts that this one has, so It would be a waste of time to try to convince you. The bottom line is we’re at a point where you need to spend 30g’s to get into a clean title ITR , and there’s people lining up out the door that are willing to pay those prices.

If you had a hard on for a py ITR with top shelf Mugen parts this one is worth every penny. It’s turn key and ready to go.

The one that sold on Bat is pretty beat and needs a good 20g restoration to bring it clean oem condition. If you want to mugen it out add another 20g’s

And it's a respray, cluster swap, high kms, not the original engine or transmission, of all his mods the wheels and steering wheel will have value, not so much for the rest. That car has visibly bad front and rear bumper fitment, you figure they would have fixed that in the repaint. And where are those driving lights pointed?? If we saw it in person we'd pick it apart. It's not a $50K car. But go ahead and buy it if you like, I'm not stopping you.

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by GIZZ

So you're buying the one for $50?

If you want an ITR to park and appreciate, these 3 cars for sale locally right now aren't the ones to buy. If you want a daily driver ITR cuz you want an ITR, unless you're made of money these aren't the ones to buy.

The one that sold on BAT last Monday had 39K kms, sold for $31K usd. Weak usd now too. Mileage a little high for top dollar, but that's the money the seller got for it. Are you going to say a car with 39K kms and a car with 157K kms are worth the same money? You basically did.

Try reading the posts first.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...gra-type-r-35/
You mentioned this car that sold for $31K USD last Monday.
From the listing.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2000-acura-integra/
The original BAT listing from 2017.

Following that, here was the original barn find post.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/acura-...d-itr-3014740/

By the time all duties, freight and exchange rate, you are paying $50K for an ITR with a non-numbers matching interior.
Missing center arm rest with the original number.
While the car has low mileage, it needs a good respray.

We are living in a time where nothing makes sense but it is what it is.

[GIZZ]

he's in love with this resprayed, non orig eng/trans car for $50K https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...0173012106420/

[tofu1413]

Jokes on us.


that car is marked pending


Damn. even local Driver spec car with mugen parts will sell for $50k.

[TouringTeg]

It now says sold. Take that haters

I hear it was originally a Quebec car with typical quarter rust. It was restored by Fast Track with many new oem moldings. The body is much nicer than the SR Auto 00 PY for $38,900.

[Iron Chef]

You don’t determine market value, the people who buy the cars determine it and there’s more of them , then ITR’s.

Turns out I’m not the only one who thought it was a good buy.

But thanks for chiming in not that it even had any relevance to what’s actual reality

Originally Posted by GIZZ

he's in love with this resprayed, non orig eng/trans car for $50K https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...0173012106420/

[teggy604]

Govt wins charging 12 percent on used cars. So that ITR is paying more tax than when it was new lol. Not to mention, if its gone through couple of owners.