Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[tegra7]

Richmond man like to pee on Teslas.
https://www.reddit.com/r/richmondbc/...t=2&utm_term=1

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by Manic!

Using Tesla's trip planner driving from Richmond to Portland in a model Y performance you would have to charge for 35 minutes. during the trip at a Supercharger.

In an Ice car you would want to stop for cheap gas in the states taking 10 minutes. Maybe go to the washroom or get something to eat.

So the difference is not much.

Second this. TBH, the difference is much shorter than what people realize... especially when you are with a group of people (kids!) who can't just push 6hr straight.

The only difference is that you need to plan a bit. So, even though Tesla's nav will do the fastest calculation for me, I will always look up on ABRP about my routes and plan accordingly. For example, last time when we were driving to Portland, we stopped in Federal Way for lunch and 85C cafe to load up snacks on the road and charge, while the optimal charging, I believe it's further down near Olympia. But it's ok since by the time we were done with all the things we did, the car was pretty much fully charged again and we could make all the way to Portland.

If we were in an ICE car... not much different, just I would stop at whenever kids are hungry but there's always a stop. I've never managed to get kids to stay for longer than 4hrs non-stop. They have to pee/poo/eat/stretch.

[roverT]

Originally Posted by Hehe

TBH, the difference is much shorter than what people realize...

Last summer I went to Kelowna with the Model X. I forgot to charge it to full since that's what you do a road trip. I left Coquitlam at 60% but my friends and I were going to have breaky in Hope anyways. Started the charge in Hope at 30% and walked to the restaurant a few blocks away. It was fast food since we know how fast, Superchargers can be. Just before finishing breakfast and going pee, Tesla app said we'll be at 100% very soon so we rushed eating to get back to the car. Drove straight to Summerland to run my errand with 30% left then we drove to Kelowna downtown to do some sightseeing at the waterfront and dinner.

After that we went to the Supercharger for 15 minutes just to get enough juice to arrive in Merritt with a low state of charge which the Tesla nav system tells you what you'll be at, at each supercharger when you punch in your destination. My goal always is to arrive at 3-10%, but many newbs can't do that (yet) and I get it, I have been there too. Got to Merritt, went pee and got some drinks because it was hot AF. We unplugged at about 60%, about 20 mins.

The trip home was mostly downhill with a summit climb and just monitored what SC we needed to get home but we made it all the way to the new Guildford Village with a very low state of charge to maximize time. Tesla nav had options to stop in Hope or Abbotsford but I ignored those knowing what the car can do. We charged at Guildford Village for 3 mins then went home and plugged in. Had I have known I would have made it home if I had just a tad more charge, I would have stayed in Merritt for another 5 mins, but life continues to teach you how little you know...LOL

This may seem like a crazy trip to some of you but really, it's just the similar stops we would have done with an 800km ICE road-trip. We didn't lose much time and none of us arrived irritated, tired or exhausted. Once you learn the battery tech in your car, it's pretty straight forward what you can and cannot do, just like with anything you own and use.

[Special K]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Second this. TBH, the difference is much shorter than what people realize... especially when you are with a group of people (kids!) who can't just push 6hr straight.

The only difference is that you need to plan a bit. So, even though Tesla's nav will do the fastest calculation for me, I will always look up on ABRP about my routes and plan accordingly. For example, last time when we were driving to Portland, we stopped in Federal Way for lunch and 85C cafe to load up snacks on the road and charge, while the optimal charging, I believe it's further down near Olympia. But it's ok since by the time we were done with all the things we did, the car was pretty much fully charged again and we could make all the way to Portland.

If we were in an ICE car... not much different, just I would stop at whenever kids are hungry but there's always a stop. I've never managed to get kids to stay for longer than 4hrs non-stop. They have to pee/poo/eat/stretch.

I did a Portland trip earlier in April in the MYP. Prior to that I did almost the same trip to Great Wolf Lodge in Centralia in December.

In December, I really missed my ICE car because I had no idea how to find/use Superchargers. Some are slow, some are expensive, some near very sketchy places.

Second time, I found my go-to Superchargers. 95% from home, go to Lacey SC which is at a Target, then got to Portland with ~20%. Spending 30 minutes at Target is no problem with 2 kids.

One thing that surprised me was how much I spent on SC. 5 day Portland trip cost USD $100 in “fuel”. That’s about 1/3 of what I would spend on my ICE but still quite expensive and I wish hotels accomodate EV charging.

[Traum]

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...mo-2023-04-24/

SHANGHAI, April 24 (Reuters) - Tesla has begun producing in Shanghai a version of the Model Y to be sold in Canada this year, the first time it will ship cars to North America from China, according to a person with direct knowledge of the plan and a production memo seen by Reuters.

(more from link above)

So it appears that the Model Y RWD cars will be built at the China Shanghai Gigafactory using LFP batteries, while the Model Y AWD cars will be built in Texas using the NCM 4680 batteries.

[Badhobz]

Honestly road tripping with the teslas doesn’t sound so bad. I’m sure it’s a lot worse if it wasn’t a tesla and you’re stuck with a level 2 charger. So basically Tesla or stay the fuck home.

I’m surprised the cost of these super chargers though.

[TypeRNammer]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Honestly road tripping with the teslas doesn’t sound so bad. I’m sure it’s a lot worse if it wasn’t a tesla and you’re stuck with a level 2 charger. So basically Tesla or stay the fuck home.

I’m surprised the cost of these super chargers though.

If you have a pre facelift Model 3 like I do, it's a pain in the ass because it's no where close to the rated range.

I'll do all sorts of things just to get the battery into its optimum condition, one round trip to Bellingham and back into East Van and the battery is almost depleted from 90% to 20%

[Badhobz]

wow! really? that's the sad part about early adopters. you always seem to get shafted as the next best thing is right on the horizon

[roverT]

Tech/Knowledge/R&D is changing at a super fast pace right now. It's why I bought 335d to hold me over and let all the early adoption happen while I learn and hopefully get to live/experience it through others.

[whitev70r]

School me .. is LFP batteries better than NMC?

[Traum]

Originally Posted by whitev70r

School me .. is LFP batteries better than NMC?

LFP is heavier, and can't charge/discharge as fast as NMC. On the other hand, they are cheaper to make, and are actually more chemically stable, so the chances of thermal runaway is noticeably lower than NMC. They also "behave better" in colder temperatures, and I take that to mean they don't lose as much charge in the cold compared to NMC.

[cafe22]

LFP:
-Longer cycle life
-Can be charged from 0-100%, unlike NMC, which typically caps at 95% max to prolong the charge cycle life.
-Does not require nickel and cobalt, so it's cheaper to produce and hopefully the cost saving are passed onto the consumers.
-Range is affected by temperature, so a heat pump is a must if you're going with an EV using LFP.

NMC gives better power density and charge. So I think NMC's will still be used for vehicles that require higher load requirements (e.g. Ford F150 Lighting).

[TypeRNammer]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

wow! really? that's the sad part about early adopters. you always seem to get shafted as the next best thing is right on the horizon

First world adopter problems

No heat pump
No double pane glass
No pedestrian speaker
No power trunk
No heated steering wheel
Old interior with no wireless charger for phones

Only things to brag about are grandfathered unlimited internet and parking sensors?

[Badhobz]

Didn’t you also get free access to super charger for life ?

[tegra7]

Originally Posted by Traum

LFP is heavier, and can't charge/discharge as fast as NMC. On the other hand, they are cheaper to make, and are actually more chemically stable, so the chances of thermal runaway is noticeably lower than NMC. They also "behave better" in colder temperatures, and I take that to mean they don't lose as much charge in the cold compared to NMC.

LFP behave worse in cold and are heavier than NMC.

[radeonboy]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Didn’t you also get free access to super charger for life ?

I think only a handful of Performance Model 3s got those.

[SiRV]

Does anyone know how to get ccs charging adapter for tesla? Would be nice to charge yup at a regular gas station again rather than seeking out superchargers on the long road trips

[JDMDreams]

I think the adaptor was this huge thing that's like $500

[Manic!]

I think the cca adaptor is 270 new but there are a couple on Facebook marketplace for $175. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...ibextid=dXMIcH

[TypeRNammer]

Originally Posted by SiRV

Does anyone know how to get ccs charging adapter for tesla? Would be nice to charge yup at a regular gas station again rather than seeking out superchargers on the long road trips

https://shop.tesla.com/en_ca/product...ombo-1-adapter

You can get it directly from the Tesla website.

Older cars like my 2019 are not compatible and requires retrofitting for this adapter to work

[Simplex123]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Honestly road tripping with the teslas doesn’t sound so bad. I’m sure it’s a lot worse if it wasn’t a tesla and you’re stuck with a level 2 charger. So basically Tesla or stay the fuck home.

I’m surprised the cost of these super chargers though.

There's a lot of 3rd party DC Fast Chargers in the US from Electrify America that range from 50kW to 350kW - whereas a lot of the ones in Canada are still the original DC chargers capped at 50kW. Only the new ones are a little faster (Shell up to 175kW).

I think a year or two ago a lot of people in the states found the chargers were quite poorly managed and you'd find a lot of dead chargers. From what I've heard from Youtubers it's getting better.

On my two trips to Seattle this past year I haven't had too many issues with chargers. I did see a few inactive ones at the premium outlets but was able to find another one available to use. They also have two different charging providers at the outlet so you have more options.

[SiRV]

Originally Posted by TypeRNammer

https://shop.tesla.com/en_ca/product...ombo-1-adapter

You can get it directly from the Tesla website.

Older cars like my 2019 are not compatible and requires retrofitting for this adapter to work

Thanks! I have a late 2021 Model 3 LR - i see it on the tesla website, but the fact it doesn’t show up on my Tesla phone app ( accessories), I’ma little worried my car might not be compatible

[radeonboy]

Originally Posted by Simplex123

On my two trips to Seattle this past year I haven't had too many issues with chargers. I did see a few inactive ones at the premium outlets but was able to find another one available to use. They also have two different charging providers at the outlet so you have more options.

With the chargers in the US, do we need to create an account for each network? Or can we pay with our credit cards directly without signing up?

[Simplex123]

Originally Posted by radeonboy

With the chargers in the US, do we need to create an account for each network? Or can we pay with our credit cards directly without signing up?

Yeah you do have to sign up for each. I found Electrify America has the most chargers. EVGo would be the cheapest option with a good amount of chargers.

[CorneringArtist]

So I noticed that Tesla's website is showing that the Model Y LR is eligible for full rebates? Sounds fishy, or has the value prop gone up that much since I last looked?