Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[bcedhk]

Originally Posted by Traum

I'd have to say the XC40 (recharge, I assume?) is an inferior EV to the TM3. But hey, whatever floats their boat, right?

The in-laws are in their mid 60's. They play the radio still and could care less or know how to use 90% of the on-screen features. I laugh when they complain it is hard to use to autopilot feature when it literally is two push of the gear lever.

It might be inferior on the range and battery tech, but most people I know do not drive more than 150 km a day.

[radeonboy]

Originally Posted by jcmaz

What's motivating them to make the switch from the Model 3 to the XC40?

Originally Posted by Traum

I'd have to say the XC40 (recharge, I assume?) is an inferior EV to the TM3. But hey, whatever floats their boat, right?

Originally Posted by bcedhk

The in-laws are in their mid 60's. They play the radio still and could care less or know how to use 90% of the on-screen features. I laugh when they complain it is hard to use to autopilot feature when it literally is two push of the gear lever.

It might be inferior on the range and battery tech, but most people I know do not drive more than 150 km a day.

Sounds like my parents' logic when they decided to move from a MY to a Lexus RZ. All of Tesla's benefits - being tech forward, access to supercharging - meant nothing to them since all they care about is driving around the city, being able to call, and having physical controls to adjust the climate. All of the RZ's downsides (low range, slow fast-charging) didn't matter to them either as a result.

[blkgsr]

anyone that thinks Tesla's are high end or even luxury cars are fooling themselves.

[Manic!]

Originally Posted by blkgsr

anyone that thinks Tesla's are high end or even luxury cars are fooling themselves.

Family has owned a bunch of luxury cars. I don't know what my dad's Model X is missing. I think it's a modern take on luxury. It's like having a futuristic house that can draw a bath for you at your desired temp via voice commands vs having an older house where your servant draws the bath for you and uses a thermometer to check temp.

Chat GTP versions.

My family has been fortunate enough to possess an impressive collection of luxury cars over the years. Among them, my father's Model X stands out as a remarkable masterpiece. It embodies a modern interpretation of opulence, offering a unique blend of cutting-edge technology and elegance. It's akin to residing in a futuristic residence that effortlessly fulfills your desires with voice-activated precision, such as drawing a bath at your preferred temperature. This contrasts with the more traditional scenario of an older house where a servant manually prepares your bath, relying on a thermometer to ensure the water's warmth.

second version

My family has been lucky enough to own a bunch of fancy cars, including my dad's awesome Model X. It's hard to pinpoint exactly what this car is missing because it's already a modern take on luxury. It's like living in a super cool, futuristic house where you can just tell it to draw a bath for you at the perfect temperature, instead of having an old-school servant who uses a thermometer to get it right.

[tofu1413]

I feel for teslas it’s the luxury of convenience and not filling up.



Opulence? Nah. No where near that on craftsmanship factor or exclusivity.

[JDMDreams]

What I like about Tesla is ota updates, new features and improvements come automatically. No other manufactures does this. And what you have to drive your car in for service to update?

[blkgsr]

i should add i've never been in a model x or the plaid versions but the ones i have seen, many 3's and a few y's, they're just so plain. sure the tech might be there but zero "feel" of any sort of decent fit and finish. and yes i know that's not he point of the model 3 but still

[whitev70r]

If any maker made an retro interior EV with old school buttons everywhere and analog dials and display, gear shifter in the middle, it would really appeal to the retired mid to late boomer demographic. Maybe even a faux reservoir with oil where the old man can go out, slide underneath the car, and pretend to change the oil ... .

[tofu1413]

Originally Posted by blkgsr

i should add i've never been in a model x or the plaid versions but the ones i have seen, many 3's and a few y's, they're just so plain. sure the tech might be there but zero "feel" of any sort of decent fit and finish. and yes i know that's not he point of the model 3 but still

the "luxury" part of those cars are the raw acceleration, tech/ gadget / gimmicks that come with those cars and the insane sticker prices.


Folks nowadays just think expensive automatically means luxury. Nope. There's more than just price.

[noclue]

I bought a Chinese RWD Model Y and the quality is night and day compared to an American built Model Y. Even the X has awful quality for the price.

[68style]

Night and day in which direction?

[cafe22]

Originally Posted by 68style

Night and day in which direction?

Im guessing for the better as I also have a Model Y RWD from Shanghai. Suspension and ride quality is better than the pervious Y's I've tested. The laminated rear glass really helps with the cabin noise.

That said, I do notice a clicking sound at the rear seat/subframe area from time to time. Apparently there's cases where they had to replace the subframe to fix the issue

[Koflach]

Originally Posted by blkgsr

i should add i've never been in a model x or the plaid versions but the ones i have seen, many 3's and a few y's, they're just so plain. sure the tech might be there but zero "feel" of any sort of decent fit and finish. and yes i know that's not he point of the model 3 but still

Saying Tesla's aren't luxury cars but only using the model 3/y as your point of comparison is like saying that Lexus/Toyota don't make luxury cars after only being in a Camry.

[JDMDreams]

You also have to think about this though, a model 3 is like what? $50k after rebate. What else can you get that has that level of tech from traditional manufactures? A Prius is like $55k, isn't a civic $50k now? It's embarrassing what you get from traditional manufactures for the price and there's still no inventory. It just shows how far behind they are.

[Hehe]

I have both X and 3, the way I see them, coming from BMW/Acura/Infiniti/Lexus/Porsche throughout the years before going Tesla, they are fine.

I don't know what are your baselines. The 3/Y are kinda mid-range cars. Their interior are basically in line with 3-series/C-class unless you go full custom (read $$$$$) leather options on those cars.

Model X is about the same as X5/RX/GLEs... The main difference I see is that there are no buttons. Tesla manages everything from a screen. And after you get used to that philosophy, it's almost shocking to have so many buttons. I was in my friend's GLS other day. OMG... talking about button galore. I couldn't get why there's a necessity for a button/knob for everything. Maybe A/C control... I give you that. But it's ridiculous that every little thing in the car has a dedicated button. That's not luxury. My dad had a Bentley Mulsanne and it's got nowhere near the amount of buttons on that GLS. More buttons =/= luxury.

I know many complain that Tesla got no buttons. But TBH, after 4yr+ with Tesla, I find everything on screen just fine. I already do that with my iPad/iPhones... etc. I find them just fine on my car and I don't miss buttons one bit. Tesla's menu is fully customizable. One can pretty much edit the home screen as they see fit. I have mine dialed in a way I never spend more than 2 presses on anything I'd need 99.999% of the time. For the missing 0.001%, I used voice command if they are not on the steering wheel control.

[noclue]

Falcon door is cool, but end of the day it's a complex gimmick that's gonna cost $$$ out of warranty. Wonder if the Model X would've been more popular with traditional doors.

They should've killed the cybertruck and made a minivan.

[Badhobz]

I really dislike most of teslas designs. The only one that looks good is the model S. everything else looks too bulbous.

The 3 and the Y looks like you ran into a wall nose first

[roverT]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

I really dislike most of teslas designs. The only one that looks good is the model S. everything else looks too bulbous.

The 3 and the Y looks like you ran into a wall nose first

That’s what my dad thought too. He couldn’t come to liking a 3/Y at least yet. So he recently bought an S and is happy with it. Now he’s doing green things for the earth….[emoji2359][emoji23]

[JDMDreams]

I was just in Toronto, and they have way less ev than us, there's barely any evs. I wonder if it's a grant thing. However their gas is only like $1.5, everyone drives small commuter cars and SUVs, even in dt there's barely any nice cars that we see here. Everyone driving is like a Uber driver.

[whitev70r]

That's kinda what I noticed too, as long as you drive past Surrey ... far less bulbous EV's. YVR seems like the poster child for Elon Musk.

[68style]

Why does Tesla not have a SUV model at all? Seems like they bet more on crossovers taking over the segment and that hasn't exactly happened.

[sonick]

Originally Posted by tofu1413

I feel for teslas it’s the luxury of convenience and not filling up.

Buys teslas for the luxury of not filling up.

Spends their evening lining up a dozen-plus deep at the superchargers at Richmond center.

[Traum]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I was just in Toronto, and they have way less ev than us, there's barely any evs. I wonder if it's a grant thing. However their gas is only like $1.5, everyone drives small commuter cars and SUVs, even in dt there's barely any nice cars that we see here. Everyone driving is like a Uber driver.

It is firstly a provincial grant/rebate thing, and secondly an allocation issue, although allocation is very much driven by consumer demand. In the EV social media groups that I subscribe to, there is no shortage of non-BC / non-QC people expressing a desire to buy EVs, but they recurringly cite the aforementioned 2 reasons for being unable to buy EVs.

Originally Posted by 68style

Why does Tesla not have a SUV model at all? Seems like they bet more on crossovers taking over the segment and that hasn't exactly happened.

For those who do not go off-roading, crossovers make so much more sense than SUVs, esp when it comes to ingress / egress. And let's not forget, at the moment, Tesla basically only has 2 platforms -- S/X and 3/Y. It takes a tremendous amount of $$$ to develop a new platform, and there is still enough demand as well as profitability in the 3/Y to keep ramping up production numbers.

We'll see how the Cybertruck do -- when it eventually comes into production. Maybe it'll spawn an SUV afterwards.

[68style]

Most SUV's nowadays are just car platforms... they already have AWD... I don't think it would take much to slap a body on an existing platform that's slightly jacked up. It doesn't need to be a legimate off-roader, just that bodystyle and a bit of extra clearance. How many SUV's in the GVRD go off-road? Almost none is my guess.

But what do I know hahaha

[dark0821]

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