double post

Anyone have a Prius prime? Any comments? Seems like a decent deal for phev for $35000, is the tech package worth it? Any negotiation room on rates on toyota site or what your see is what you get? Could pay cash too.

Good luck

I semi-seriously looked into it in 2019. If you are looking to buy used, the pre-2020 cars only had 2 seats in the back. A full 3-seater back seat didn't come until 2020.

I liked the car and the visibility from the driver seat. For my purposes, even the base version felt good enough -- I certainly didn't care for the bigger touch screen in the higher trim model, and the interior materials in the base car felt good enough even though certain black trim pieces look like they could easily get scratched up.

As is the case with the UX250h, the deal breaker was the absymal trunk size -- the trunk was very shallow because it had to accommodate the batteries.

In a Prius Prime discussion group that I was in, some owners have indicated that the front end plastic trim pieces are somewhat prone to road damage, so keep an eye out for that.

I like the prime but it's not without flaws.

Pros
-looks better than the regular prius, sleeker front and rear lights + CF hatch makes it kinda cool
-Fully charge in 5.5hrs on a household outlet

Cons
-40km EV range if you're careful real world with heat and other accessories prob closer to 30 if you're stepping on it.
-infotainment is the usual Toyota Hot garbage
-Trunk as mentioned above is shallow to the tonneau cover but decent if you fold the rear seats down.

It's about 4k more than the regular Prius so depending on how much you drive in full ev you can make it back in a few years.

Tech package at $2,350 is not worth it IMO. The bigger touch screen just means it's harder to get to Key items like volume knob, tuning knob, and a sensible climate control system.

So things escalated quickly and I went to test drive a leaf sv, top model with 40kw battery below the more expensive plus models, about 200 km range. So it works out to be about $42 after taxes.

It's my first time driving ev. The silence is kinda nice. It pulls to 100km with no drama at all. You don't even notice that you are going fast as the car is so quiet. Highway driving at around 80km is very quiet too. I'm quite impressed. However only thing that kinda sucks is the Nissan finance rate at 3.99% and the price for 2020 and 21 is pretty much the same, and there's no improvements on the 21 model. Also the lane keep assist and propilot kinda sucks. I tried it and I was driving over the lane but it doesn't steer me back in or even notify me until I've crossed the line. The hunt continues.

3.99%. Ouch.

Are there any federal or provincial subsidies or rebates available? (Note: I don't live in BC anymore.)

Yes that's with $8000 discount.

Hyundai makes a Santa Fe Hybrid now. Its worth checking out if youre around Hyundai dealer. I was buying a oil filter and briefly checked one out. Really good tech, quality and design.

For the Rav4 Prime, in case anybody curious for BC pricing/availability, a friend of mine just got all-in pricing on R4P XSE (with rebate, no Tech Package), and it comes out to $53,349 taxes in out the door.

Their parents were also on the list and are getting theirs this Saturday as they had the color they requested in stock.

That's after tax? Still more than a model 3 though....

Yes, edited my original post, that price is taxes in.

Model 3 would be $50,xxx after tax even if you don't add anything.
And not quite apple to apple. One's PHEV, one's full electric - and you should at least compare it to a Model Y pricing.

The Model Y starts at about $53k + Tax

And if you want AWD it's $70k + tax

But like V-tec said, not apple to apple comparison here. Bu it kinda is the closest thing, no one is comparing Rav4 PHEV to the Outlander PHEV.

I like the Outlander Phev, too bad the electric range isn't enough for me. I'm waiting for them to release the redesign soon. So far the spy shots looks pretty good. Ultra modern like a space ship

With a 35km range it's not enough for most people's commute. The renderings and spy shots of the next gen does look good but I don't know if Mitsu has enough money to make a "Great" product.

hey MG what's the point of this product, can't you get an adapter for much less to plug in to your existing receptacle? just curious

that sounds pretty decent, what's the cost all in out the door?

are there no phevs with torque converters? all CVT?

AFAIK the Ford products (Aviator/Explorer) have their standard 10 speed auto paired with the PHEV drivetrain.

I don't quite understand your question.

It's a level 2 charger. It needs 240 volts. There are different types of connectors for 240 volt depending on amperage rating. And with those, you can use adapters, but as far as your average 120 household receptacles, the level 2 chargers just won't work. A lot of people have their level 2 chargers hard wired into the panel. I like the fact I can plug in a 240 volt heater, welder, etc. when needed. Not just for the charger. I have an extra 240 volt receptacle in the garage. I use it to plug in a heater. As long as the device has a Nema 14 plug.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector#NEMA_L19


Since having the electrical panel installed by the garage door, I can easily add or modify my outlets for all my electrical needs. I have trailers that are powered by 120 volt for lights, power tools, etc. To work on any of the outlets, I just turn the main breaker off and not have to worry about anything else in the house being affected.

sorry, allow me to try to clarify, my ignorance with EV's is showing, but i know there are adapters for EV's to plug in to a normal 120v receptacle and trickle charge...you said you have a 240V receptacle already, so I assumed EV's have an adapter that can plug in to your 240V receptacle no? if so, I don't see the need for the plug n play station. if there is no such adapter, then i can see the reason for the product.

Household electricity is AC (Alternating Current) and the electricity on a car is DC (Direct Current). So right off the bat, you need to transform the type of electricity before it reaches the car. Not only that, the power needs to be regulated safely. The amount of charge an electric vehicle can take is actually controlled by the computer in the car, but the charger needs to ensure the power is clean and consistent. You will also notice on that web site that there are varying degrees of power handling models from 16 to 100 amps. The higher the rating, the less time it takes to charge. However, my vehicle has a very small capacity, so a 16 amp charge is good enough. Higher amp models are just a waste of money........... until the Cybertruck I put a deposit on ever shows up.

Every new electric car comes with a 110 volt (level I) charger included. It's super slow. We're talking 16 to 22 hours and days on some longer range vehicles. Level III charger, on the other hand, charge to 80% of battery capacity in like 20 to 30 minutes. Unless, of course, you drive a Tesla or some other long range EV. Level III charger must have like 440 volt power supply, so most homes cannot be outfitted with a level III without major work.

Then there are the new uber chargers from Tesla. Damn those things are like the King Kong of chargers. All charged up while you take a piss. I was going to say take a shit, but I know some of you take like an hour sitting on the toilet, gulolol.

https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/blog/int...-supercharging


There's more to it, but in a nut shell........................

Actually, it's the car that does the power rectification to DC. If you look at most level 2 chargers, they're not much more than a simple contactor inside a box.


It's only at Level 3 where DC is supplied directly to the car.