Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

Holy moly that is some impressive financial gymnastics.

If you just removed the word "car" I would've thought it was a post about investment banking on Wall St., doing credit swap deals or some shit. Leveraging negative equity into new rounds of loans oh my god.

Damn. You'd think if those people would have done this kind of diligence on their personal finances in the first place, they wouldn't need to resort to this crazy level of fiscal back-flipping to buy a car!

The negative equity is definitely a thing, and it was before covid scarcity hit the market.

In the states those ppl end up in Nissan's and Mitsubishi's as they'd finance anyone with or without a pulse. Also why the Big Altima Energy meme comes in.

In Canada I'd say it's relatively rare. Not saying it's impossible but predatory loans are harder to pull off.

[dark0821]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

I understand the concept behind it, but have you seen it done at Hyundai where someone comes in to buy an Elantra, say advertised at 5.99, and walk out with a 10.99 loan?

Not as guilty as some domestics, but yes, it does happen. I sold a brand-new Sonata at 11.99% when the factory rate was 6.49%

Most of the time though, clients know ahead of time even before taking the deposit. The conversation started with "Jacky, how good are your finance mangers? Would they be able to get me approved, because I am XYZ?"

My answer is always "we will try our best to do what we can."

[underscore]

Apparently the prototype of the "manual" EV system from Toyota is quite good. I love the idea of being able to have a fun car that's still usable by my wife: https://insideevs.com/features/69387...ission-tested/

As I line up to enter the track, I intentionally “stall out” the UX to see what it would do. Sure enough, a screen flashes red and I push the clutch to restart the car, just like most modern manual gas cars work. Then I “shift” into “first gear” and press the accelerator, and after that… wow. Just wow.

This UX mule has a custom six-speed that feels similar to a GR Corolla’s gearbox with tight, short shifts and a deep, vaguely six-cylinder-ish bespoke engine sound they cooked up just for this project. I work my way through the gears just like on a gas car, straining to keep it under 100 kph like the developers asked, because I’m having so much fun and wanted to go fast. But sure enough, the answer is yes—the setup really does feel like a true manual. With my eyes focused on the track ahead and my ears full of whatever that engine was, I momentarily forget I’m in an EV.

The car even jerks back and forth slightly as I change gears, just like a manual gas car might. I’m laughing hysterically the entire time. It even gives me the exact amount of power I’d have in second or third gear, limiting the car’s speeds accordingly. I get it up to fifth before Isami asks me to take it down a peg or two. Every part of this—the shifting, the clutch, the noise, the movement of the car, makes me swear I’m in a gas car. It even “engine brakes” when I downshift and lift off the throttle, and Isami tells me it can double-clutch too, though I don’t get to try this.

Then Isami hits the same switch on the center console and the car goes back to BEV mode, or automatic mode. The engine sounds stop; the power delivery goes back to what I expected. It’s like I wake up and come back to reality, and the Lexus is an EV again.

That may be the best part of all of this: you can turn it on and off whenever you want. No more suffering through stop-and-go traffic with a stick shift. You can have all the backroad fun when you want it, and all the convenience and comfort and quiet of an EV when you want that instead.

[Traum]

My question about this is -- the manual mode is implemented by limiting engine output to mimic ICE behaviour. So doesn't that mean ICE mode would not have access to full power under certain circumstances, whereas EV mode would be able to tap into its full power potential whenever it needs to?

[EvoFire]

Why can't we put a smaller motor that doesn't spin as fast and stick it behind a manual tranny? Wouldn't we achieve better mileage that way? I'm imagining a Tamiya Jet Dash hooked up to a 6 speed tranny lmfao.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

Why can't we put a smaller motor that doesn't spin as fast and stick it behind a manual tranny? Wouldn't we achieve better mileage that way? I'm imagining a Tamiya Jet Dash hooked up to a 6 speed tranny lmfao.

EVs don't need all that complicated transmission.

There are EVs with transmission, Taycan has a 2-speed box.

Tesla only has kinda the system you are talking about on its Semi where at highway cruising, the more powerful main motors would disengage, and only the cruising motor is moving the truck, but if the main motors are needed (say to climb or downhill as it regen power), it engages back seamlessly. Not a traditional transmission per se as it doesn't have a ratio or anything like that. It's just whether a motor is being powered/engaged or not.

[supafamous]

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...rger-revealed/

The 2025 Ram 1500 Ramcharger is the brand's first plug-in-hybrid full-size pickup truck. It shares a platform with the electric Ram 1500 REV.

A 70.8-kWh battery provides an estimated 145 miles of electric range and feeds a 663-hp all-wheel-drive powertrain, with a V-6 spinning a generator as a backup.

With a full battery and fuel tank, Ram is targeting up to 690 miles of combined driving range; it can also tow 14,000 pounds and handle a 2625-pound payload.

Bigger battery than a EX30. Probably weighs 8000lbs. Full size EV pickup just seem totally nuts.

[68style]

What's nuts is the government saying all departments have to have 75% of their vehicle fleets electric by 2030.

That includes departments where 80% of the fleet is 1-tonne or 3/4-tonne trucks... of which there is no viable electric equivalent available OR planned lol

[twitchyzero]

pulling up next to the new hummer few nights ago, of which the battery alone weighs significantly more than the entirety of my GVWR conveniently at the height of my head

[dark0821]

Originally Posted by 68style

What's nuts is the government saying all departments have to have 75% of their vehicle fleets electric by 2030.

That includes departments where 80% of the fleet is 1-tonne or 3/4-tonne trucks... of which there is no viable electric equivalent available OR planned lol

so one should apply to become a fleet manager for Ford or GM is what you are telling me.... get dat contracts lololol

[68style]

They do all their gov orders through a national fleet section that only deals with gov orders out of HQ... dealers get diddly squat even though these things show up at their dealership for delivery lol

[dark0821]

oh geeeeee lololol

btw shamless plug - we have a

2024 Tucson Hybrid (not a plug in, just hybrid)
Ultimate trim
black on black

Incoming dec 05th

$47,427 + 12% tax = $53,118.24 out the door all said and done

for reference, building the exact spec on Hyundai.ca = $52,525.76

[supafamous]

https://www.whatcar.com/news/2024-ho...evealed/n26018

Honda's releasing a PHEV version of their CR-V in Europe - out this past October. It's really just their hybrid with a big battery and I really liked their hybrid (more than even my RDX). Not sure how heavy it is with the big battery though as the hybrid isn't exactly quick at nearly 4000lbs. I'd sure be interested in finding how how good it is though.

[mikemhg]

Goes to show you how disconnected these politicians even are.

Imagine California thinking they will ban any new sales of ice vehicles by 2035

[JDMDreams]

I really wonder why Honda Acura is dragging their feet on ev / phev. They have the tech but won't release in na, even Mazda has phev. Honda e? I feel like by the time they release it here everyone else would have gotten their market share or went full ev already.

[TypeRNammer]

Originally Posted by supafamous

https://www.whatcar.com/news/2024-ho...evealed/n26018

Honda's releasing a PHEV version of their CR-V in Europe - out this past October. It's really just their hybrid with a big battery and I really liked their hybrid (more than even my RDX). Not sure how heavy it is with the big battery though as the hybrid isn't exactly quick at nearly 4000lbs. I'd sure be interested in finding how how good it is though.

0-100kmh in almost 10 seconds....compared to the Rav4 Prime which is like almost half of that

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by TypeRNammer

0-100kmh in almost 10 seconds....compared to the Rav4 Prime which is like almost half of that

I looked up pricing just because maybe it's half the price of the RAV4 Prime?

CR-V e:PHEV: £45,895 (UK)
RAV4 Prime: £47,395 (UK)

Nope.

I don't get it: why would anyone choose the CR-V PHEV??

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by TypeRNammer

0-100kmh in almost 10 seconds....compared to the Rav4 Prime which is like almost half of that

I find most Euro mags report 0-60 extremely conservatively as the standard hybrid does 0-60 in the high 7s and there's no way this thing is so heavy that it adds 2 seconds to the 0-60, maybe mid-8s.

But it most definitely is not Rav4 Prime fast.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

I looked up pricing just because maybe it's half the price of the RAV4 Prime?

CR-V e:PHEV: £45,895 (UK)
RAV4 Prime: £47,395 (UK)

Nope.

I don't get it: why would anyone choose the CR-V PHEV??

Old people never even get up to 60.

And some young people. My wife never even hit VTEC in her Prelude. The 2GR is complete overkill for her in the Rav4 but I'd still want a Prime if we ever have to replace it lol.

[Traum]

I find it a bit strange that Honda is releasing the CRV PHEV over in Europe instead of doing it here in N.America. Honda as a brand is not very popular in Europe -- it's mostly viewed as a company with boring cars for old people. Their best markets with the most favourable brand reputation are really just Japan and the US. (Although I think they are also popular in the Guangdong and Hubei provinces in China.)

The car really would have made more sense here in N.America.

[twitchyzero]

is cr-v more comfotable than rav4? non-prime i found wasn't very pleasant to be in and ive only been around cheap cars for life

[JDMDreams]

I dunno about the new ones but I sat in one from around 16? The turbo ones with engine issues. And I was surprised how roomy the back seats were. Way more leg room than older rx330 rx350, Rav4 and x5

[Badhobz]

Really ?! I had a 2013 CRV for a lease before and it was terrible. Albeit it was a LX AWD trim CRV but it was genuinely garbage. Interior was garbage, rat fur seats, stiff as a rock cushions and hard plastics everywhere. Space in the second row wasn’t that great either.



The RX my dad had / the wife currently has seems infinitely more spacious and comfortable.

After owning that CRV for 3 years it made me swear off CRVs all together

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by twitchyzero

is cr-v more comfotable than rav4? non-prime i found wasn't very pleasant to be in and ive only been around cheap cars for life

The latest gen hybrid version is pretty terrific IMO - I'm not a fan of the CVT equipped one (I told my wife a part of me died each time I floored it) but the hybrid is peppy, quiet, and is all the good stuff that Honda is about. It's not sporty but it's just lovely to drive and be in.

I find the Rav4 to be ugly, a bit crude, and cheap looking both inside and out so I'd never be able to convince myself to own one but the CR-V Hybrid is a winner in my books.

[JDMDreams]

Yea I just sat in the back to go to dinner for like 20 min and I was so surprised.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...yota-rav4/amp/