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Great68 02-12-2021 04:39 PM

While the new Cybertruck and electric F150 sound neat, I think they have a long way to climb if you're actually using the truck for work ie: towing.

If the model X is any example, they better find some magical battery capacity and charging speed:



I don't think I'll be giving up my gas F150 for an electric one to pull my 6000lb travel trailer any time soon.

MG1 02-12-2021 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 9017851)
Actually, it's the car that does the power rectification to DC. If you look at most level 2 chargers, they're not much more than a simple contactor inside a box.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMxB7zA-e4Y

It's only at Level 3 where DC is supplied directly to the car.

I stand corrected. Level 3 is the one I was confused with. As for the Cybertruck, I put the $100.00 refundable deposit down knowing it’s probably never going to hit the streets. Still, it’s cool knowing one day, it might? I would love to get a Rivian, but way too expensive, atm.

JDMDreams 02-12-2021 11:28 PM

The leaf I test drove came with the regular 120v slow charge adapter, but the plug itself is a 240v plug which gives you level 2 at home if you have 240v.

JDMDreams 02-14-2021 08:18 PM

Can anyone comment their insurance premiums for Tesla? My friend just got quoted $3900 for a model 3, like over $1000+ what they are paying for ice car currently

Manic! 02-14-2021 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MG1 (Post 9017855)
I stand corrected. Level 3 is the one I was confused with. As for the Cybertruck, I put the $100.00 refundable deposit down knowing it’s probably never going to hit the streets. Still, it’s cool knowing one day, it might? I would love to get a Rivian, but way too expensive, atm.

Musk just said it's come end of 2021.

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 9017853)
While the new Cybertruck and electric F150 sound neat, I think they have a long way to climb if you're actually using the truck for work ie: towing.

If the model X is any example, they better find some magical battery capacity and charging speed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjklex38lkQ


I don't think I'll be giving up my gas F150 for an electric one to pull my 6000lb travel trailer any time soon.

But how many people tow 6000lb travel trailers long distances? Most just drive there trucks around town.

MG1 02-14-2021 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9018009)
Musk just said it's come end of 2021.



But how many people tow 6000lb travel trailers long distances? Most just drive there trucks around town.

Not only that, the Cybertruck is not the Model Y

underscore 02-14-2021 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9018009)
But how many people tow 6000lb travel trailers long distances?

Is that not the point of a travel trailer?

Great68 02-15-2021 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MG1 (Post 9018010)
Not only that, the Cybertruck is not the Model Y

Unless Musk made some new discovery that breaks the laws of physics, I don't see how the Cybertruck's power consumption wouldn't be affected in exactly the same way as the Model X when you add weight to it.

Great68 02-15-2021 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9018009)

But how many people tow 6000lb travel trailers long distances? Most just drive there trucks around town.

I dunno, there are certainly a shit ton of trailers out there on the island alone, ever seen the island highway in the summer?

I count six households with travel trailers just down my short street, and dozens within the immediate neighbourhood.

donk. 02-15-2021 05:29 PM

Bananas in, bananas out

#physics

dvst8 02-15-2021 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9018007)
Can anyone comment their insurance premiums for Tesla? My friend just got quoted $3900 for a model 3, like over $1000+ what they are paying for ice car currently

For myself, insurance on the Model 3 is more expensive compared to my ice SUV. With road star, basic + 1 mill collision & comprehensive.

2k for Tesla
1.6k for SUV

this is with the new adjusted ICBC rates

twitchyzero 02-15-2021 08:45 PM

wonder if the reported 9 months parts queue have anything to do with it

Manic! 02-16-2021 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9018012)
Is that not the point of a travel trailer?

But what % of truck owners own a travel trailer?

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Originally Posted by Great68 (Post 9018022)
I dunno, there are certainly a shit ton of trailers out there on the island alone, ever seen the island highway in the summer?

I count six households with travel trailers just down my short street, and dozens within the immediate neighbourhood.

Cyber truck has a range of 500 miles. Even with reduced range while towing I don't think there is a single place on the island you couldn't tow a trailer to.

There is no such thing as a vehicle that's perfect for everyone. That's why Ford makes a F250 and F350.

Great68 02-16-2021 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9018130)
But what % of truck owners own a travel trailer?

Enough that it's probably a significant consideration for many

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Cyber truck has a range of 500 miles. Even with reduced range while towing I don't think there is a single place on the island you couldn't tow a trailer to.
For the $100K 3 motor version... And it just does that with bigger batteries.

The Model X LR has an unloaded range of 350miles. In the video I posted, a 2000lb trailer reduced that range by 2/3rds. And they had to remove the tent rack or it lost substantially more.

If that ratio remains the same for the cybertruck, that 500 mile range becomes 160miles. Reduce that even further with heavier trailers and our very hilly terrain, you'd probably be lucky to get from Nanaimo to Victoria on a single charge:


Also with bigger batteries comes longer charge time. So if the Model X needs over an hour to fully charge it's 100kWh battery, now the cybertruck with 200kWh needs double that time. And then the concerns over charging stations in remote areas. I camp in the Gold river region, they just got cell service last year. They don't even have a grocery store in the town. You think there's going to be a supercharger network there, if ever?

Right now with the 130L tank in my truck, I can make it to Campbell river from my house in Victoria on 1/2 a tank, fully loaded with the trailer, toys, food, water, fuel, firewood etc. This is a pretty normal distance for many RV'ers on the island.

This video sums it up pretty well:

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There is no such thing as a vehicle that's perfect for everyone.
I agree. I think this is what I'm pointing out. Cybertrucks (and new F150's) will make nice pavement pounders for those who want to be associated with driving a truck, maybe using the bed for the occasional dump of dirt or something.

Koflach 02-16-2021 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9018007)
Can anyone comment their insurance premiums for Tesla? My friend just got quoted $3900 for a model 3, like over $1000+ what they are paying for ice car currently

Try getting a quote for your insurance from BCAA. I went with them and it was A LOT cheaper than ICBC.

JDMDreams 02-16-2021 06:18 PM

^^ turns out it was cuz they added her N driver sister. Crisis adverted after they removed her.

On the other hand I took home a model 3 dual motor, and model y rwd as tester. I'm amazed by the auto pilot. Basically the car drives itself. The instant torque is mind blowing and doesn't stop pulling. I'm even considering selling my toy gas cars to fund one. Only bad thing is on the model 3, the heater some how broke and I had no heat in this weather. They say it could be a software update or a sensor in the heat pump system. But yea I would love to get at least a dual motor but you lose rebates and it's $13000 more on top of the base. Self driving is another $10800 more. FeelsBadMan so it's like $85000 for a mid tier model 3

I'm not even sure if I should even bother to look at other electric cars, the Outlander 2022 has been revealed and it looks amazing but the Phev is another year away at least.

bcrdukes 02-16-2021 06:22 PM

Chump change for RevScene :accepted:

twitchyzero 02-16-2021 06:51 PM

traveling with EV in canada is already pushing it

camping and hauling without inventing spare battery packs/extenders, fahgettaboudit

still, camp mode seems interesting

underscore 02-16-2021 08:00 PM

What's the longest you can run just the heater? I imagine you could get fucked pretty easily if a highway shuts down in the winter.

Manic! 02-16-2021 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9018193)
What's the longest you can run just the heater? I imagine you could get fucked pretty easily if a highway shuts down in the winter.

Probably longer than a gas car.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre...d-idle.135350/

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I just parked my P100D model S for over a week at an airport outside. The temps were not extremely low but low. On average 5C for the entire time. I only lost 15KM of range over the entire week. I was very suprised. Parked at 350 came back had 335. Very impressive when considering the temp it was in.



Like others said it varies. Since I belong to the minority who have driven Model S a fair amount in -20 to -30 degrees I can tell you a few interesting things:

Seat heaters and radio take almost nothing.
Cabin heat takes a bunch. Cross country driving in minus 20 F with cabin heat on cut my range literally in half.
Pre heating cabin and battery while plugged is a huge advantage

To answer your question adout idle time based on my experience with Model S. Seat heaters and radio on you can probably "idle" for days and nights on end.
Cabin Heater on at 32 deg F. Maybe a day and one night.
Cabin Heater on at minus 30. Ten hours top

TypeRNammer 02-18-2021 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cafe22 (Post 9015479)
2015 i3 REX reporting in. IMO, this is a great car for <$25k. We love the compact design, yet tons of room inside. I can fit two bikes with the back seat folded down and the overall interior build quality is what you expect from BMW.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...ok_story_share

There's a winter tires setup for your car that I came across Facebook marketplace

twitchyzero 02-19-2021 09:37 AM

bet those pizza slicers do well in deep snow :ahwow:

how are your all-seasons in the winter? rwd + instant full torque

Koflach 02-19-2021 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by twitchyzero (Post 9018518)
bet those pizza slicers do well in deep snow :ahwow:

how are your all-seasons in the winter? rwd + instant full torque

Those aren't pizza slicers, these are. https://imgur.com/gallery/qwIxypz

underscore 02-19-2021 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Manic! (Post 9018196)

Makes sense that it depends on the temp, but that's using the full battery. A Model S Long Range needs 60% of its battery just to go from Van to Kelowna, even if you ignore the cold and the mountains. So at best you've got maybe 4 hrs of heat should you get stuck. That's probably enough but you'd definitely want to be more prepared for the cold.

JDMDreams 02-19-2021 04:44 PM

I was ripping it this last weekend with the model y rwd as I specifically wanted to try it on wet cold weather and I couldn't break the tires loose.


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