Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[is350]

Originally Posted by Traum

I think Teslas only have a single gear, so there is no actual transmission involved. The batteries will appreciate being warmed up, but they actually warm up faster in the winter if you drive the car with an on/off switch throttle type of mentality.

I had to google it to make sure. There is transmission fluid for the single gear tranny, so no doubt it's best to wait until the fluid is up to temp just like a regular AT or CVT even if the battery is ok to go 100% wheb its cold but dummy gonna do dummy things

[TypeRNammer]

Tesla Model 3 dropped down to $48,590, after delivery,taxes, and maxed out rebates, it's $47660.80

Tesla Model Y has been consistently floating at $53,930, after delivery, taxes, and maxed out rebates, it's $53641.60

From my observations in the existing inventory

EDIT: I listed the out the door prices after taxes and max rebates for both the cars.

[Badhobz]

Tis the best bang for the new car bucks. Just pray you get a good one that my cousins didn’t half ass assemble while popping xiao long Bao’s in their mouths

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by is350

I had to google it to make sure. There is transmission fluid for the single gear tranny, so no doubt it's best to wait until the fluid is up to temp just like a regular AT or CVT even if the battery is ok to go 100% wheb its cold but dummy gonna do dummy things

There's a service in the service manual every 4yrs to inspect the drive unit, and service it if needed, which includes the oils inside.

I'm not sure if they are transmission oils, but I do know there are oil in there and as well as an oil filter. When I did it just before my 4yr warranty was up, Tesla said they were fine and asked me to check again at 6yr mark.

[is350]

^so essentially not the best bang for your buck... also gotta drive a lot of kms to actually make the savings count vs an ice car which is ironic because tesla battery warranty is 8 yrs/160k/192k (LR model), at that point, do you even want to keep the car in case it needs a expensive battery replacement right out of warranty?

I will give tesla two props: one for having cars in stock unlike other car brands bs, and one for not having the dealership model.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by is350

^so essentially not the best bang for your buck... also gotta drive a lot of kms to actually make the savings count vs an ice car which is ironic because tesla battery warranty is 8 yrs/160k/192k (LR model), at that point, do you even want to keep the car in case it needs a expensive battery replacement right out of warranty?

I will give tesla two props: one for having cars in stock unlike other car brands bs, and one for not having the dealership model.

The battery is not usually the problem. Yes... when they go bad, it's a BIG thing. But it happens to a very small percentage of people. And more than 90% of the time, it's just that they are no longer efficient enough for car use. And this is about some very high mileage... we are talking 300k+.

In term of savings, it's no longer just gas vs. electricity. It's also services. My buddy has a Model Y with 180k and still running like day 1 and still has about 92% of the original distance. For ICE cars, services start to get VERY expensive after 100k. As many major components start to need replacement.
At 240k+, you are often looking at transmission replacement/engine rebuilds. And those aren't cheap.

I always see ICE supporters saying "oh... but what if you need battery replacement after 180k". Like those services for an ICE to last long past 180k comes free.

[Badhobz]

it is for most toyota models. No so much for german or other

[JDMDreams]

Germans won't make it to 80000 but if you want Toyota to last to 180,000 you still gotta maintain. Timing belt every 100k. Just oil, trans, diff fluid change to 180,000 isn't cheap let alone brakes. All the see lai love AWD, there's twice the diff, transfer case shits to break. And the pew pew dsg pdk farts, that shit need fluid change like every 30000 km and dsg fluid ain't cheap.

[Badhobz]

True. At 120k there are some more items to deal with. But most are timing chain nowadays so it’s suppose to last a lifetime. So it’s just diff fluids, brakes and brake fluid, oil filter and oil, coolant, battery and plugs

[is350]

my parents have owned 3 cars in their life time, a 2005 honda accord, a 2005 chevy malibu both 4 cylinders, and a 2013 bmw 328i. They are like the cheapest ppl you'd meet when it comes to maintenance. Only did oil change, tire and brake replacement on these 3 cars, not even brake fluid change, service, let alone transmission fluid, coolant change and other wear and tear items like alternator, fuel pump. Both the malibu and 328i made it to 150k without any issues, and the accord made it to 200k. Luck may had played a part but for modern cars, you don't have to do a lot of maintenance unless you want the cars to last more than 10 years and more than 150k.

Also depends on driving style, if you drive aggressively and treat the gas pedal like like on/off switch at every stoplight, engine and other associated components gonna wear out faster.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by is350

my parents have owned 3 cars in their life time, a 2005 honda accord, a 2005 chevy malibu both 4 cylinders, and a 2013 bmw 328i. They are like the cheapest ppl you'd meet when it comes to maintenance. Only did oil change, tire and brake replacement on these 3 cars, not even brake fluid change, service, let alone transmission fluid, coolant change and other wear and tear items like alternator, fuel pump. Both the malibu and 328i made it to 150k without any issues, and the accord made it to 200k. Luck may had played a part but for modern cars, you don't have to do a lot of maintenance unless you want the cars to last more than 10 years and more than 150k.

Also depends on driving style, if you drive aggressively and treat the gas pedal like like on/off switch at every stoplight, engine and other associated components gonna wear out faster.

Tesla requires almost no maintenance and brake replacement. And definitely no regular oil change. No luck needed!

[TypeRNammer]

Originally Posted by Hehe

In term of savings, it's no longer just gas vs. electricity. It's also services. My buddy has a Model Y with 180k and still running like day 1 and still has about 92% of the original distance.

My 2019 Model 3 with 72,000km can only yield about 120km for 70% during the winter, and on warmer days about 170km for 70% usage

I schedule my departures, it's plugged in with the wall charger, and I don't drive like dark0821 LOL, no matter how I religiously prep the car before my leave time, seems like I can't yield any more mileage out of the car

[68style]

^ Sounds like a blast

[TypeRNammer]

Originally Posted by 68style

^ Sounds like a blast

First world adopter problems

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Hehe

In term of savings, it's no longer just gas vs. electricity. It's also services.

Which includes insurance and tires, and I know the insurance premiums some people have posted here far surpass any service bills I've had and certainly more than you'd expect on any modern car. We're at the point where there are enough variables at play that there's really no one answer, it depends a lot on each persons actual use case. What car might save you a bunch of money might be a waste of money for me, and vice versa.

[JDMDreams]

Isn't that a warranty issue if the range drops that much?

[is350]

^this is tesla's battery warranty for the model 3 standard range: 8 years or 160,000 km, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.

[TypeRNammer]

Originally Posted by underscore

Which includes insurance and tires, and I know the insurance premiums some people have posted here far surpass any service bills I've had and certainly more than you'd expect on any modern car. We're at the point where there are enough variables at play that there's really no one answer, it depends a lot on each persons actual use case. What car might save you a bunch of money might be a waste of money for me, and vice versa.

I can disclose my insurance on my Model Y and it's absolutely through the roof, and yes I was already aware of this and accepted this already

East Vancouver
2 million liability
500 collision
300 comprehensive
Pleasure use only

It's $275 a month and that's with full discount, but if a new driver were to insure it with the same deductibles above, it's $6100 annually.

My model 3 on the other hand is the following
2 million liability
1000 collision
300 comprehensive
To and from work more than 15km

That is about $230 a month

[Badhobz]

Why you guys pay monthly ?! Isn’t it more money ?

[68style]

I do it because the borrowing cost is almost nothing from ICBC and I hate giving them money upfront. When I go to cancel or sell cars I don't need to wait for a refund cheque.

[JDMDreams]

Refunds actually come super quick

[bcrdukes]

Interest rate is very low when doing monthly payment plan with ICBC. Then again, we're all plebz and not filthy rich like Badhobz haha

[JDMDreams]

Yea I let inflation pay for that interest. I occasionally do full payment depends if it's year round plate or just for summer funs

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by bcrdukes

Interest rate is very low when doing monthly payment plan with ICBC. Then again, we're all plebz and not filthy rich like Badhobz haha

Yeah but I thought you gotta pay more doing it monthly. We always paid for the year even though we were poor as shit growing up because it was still cheaper.

[68style]

You're thinking of insuring for only 3, 6 or 9 months... short term insurance... that costs more than insuring for 1 year.

If you're putting your 1 year renewal on payment plan, it's a super low borrowing rate. I just don't want to hand them ~$1,300 today when I can do it at $112 a month instead (my 2004 Lexus as an example). I think the borrowing cost for the whole year is like $30 or something like that.