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In an EV group that I subscribe to, one of the participants had this story to share:
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My 2022 Ioniq 5 was also written off by insurance when I hit something in the road and there was damage to the battery shield and a loony sized dent in the casing of the battery. No warnings on the dash. Car functioned perfectly. I spent 3 months trying to get insurance and the Hyundai dealership and Hyundai Canada to talk to each other…
At the end of it, no one would put that the car was safe in writing, insurance said the battery would have to be replaced, Hyundai priced the battery replacement at $56k plus labour and the car was a total loss. I couldn’t even buy it with a salvage title because I couldn’t register it to drive it or have it insured unless I replaced the battery. And there’s no one here to replace the battery.
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I asked Hyundai Canada - they referred me to my dealership. I called several dealerships and they all had the exact same price on the battery.
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I brought my vehicle to my dealership when it happened. They put it on a lift and looked at it like an ICE car and referred me to a collision shop. They didn’t do any battery pack evaluation, or even take off the shield to look at the pack.
No one at insurance looked at my car. After 6 weeks or so I got an email saying it was a total loss. Apparently battery assessment techniques exist, and the dealership can do them, but insurance never facilitated that. I spent 6 weeks trying to get them to reevaluate the stance that battery replacement was even required. I just couldn’t make headway. I continued driving the car the whole time. There was nothing wrong with it.
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I was told there are 5 master techs at my dealership. They would all certainly be capable of running diagnostics. I’m still shocked that incidental contact with something in the road could result in needing a full battery replacement. And even more shocked that the battery has a $56k price tag. I did what I could to try to educate in the hopes that it might help the next person… but it’s super hard to communicate with people who don’t want to communicate with you!
I'm not sure where in Canada this person is located, but it is likely that the person is in the East Coast / Atlantic Canada. I've read of stories saying that in a lot of smaller East Coast and Maritime cities, they may or may not have certified EV techs at the dealership, even though the dealerships still sell the EVs there, so this could potentially be one of the cases like that.
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So in private conversations, so far without any proof yet so take it with a grain of salt. The quote given to ICBC was not 60k, the story doesn't add up anyways when Hyundai told him it was 30k at the dealer. The guy high centered on a median and damaged the battery and it didn't happen out of nowhere, third hand info from a tow truck driver who had to extract him.
I just want to clarify that it was Hyundai Boundary and not Hyundai Richmond that the client ended up getting towed to.
Apparently it ruffled enough feathers to get our legal team involved for the misleading information.
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In an EV group that I subscribe to, one of the participants had this story to share:
I'm not sure where in Canada this person is located, but it is likely that the person is in the East Coast / Atlantic Canada. I've read of stories saying that in a lot of smaller East Coast and Maritime cities, they may or may not have certified EV techs at the dealership, even though the dealerships still sell the EVs there, so this could potentially be one of the cases like that.
Unless they're trained in how to work on HV systems and have the proper PPE I think they were correct to not pull the shield off, HV/arc flash is no joke. The owner saying "there's nothing wrong with it" just because they could drive it is meaningless. The potential liability if someone says it's safe when it isn't could end up costing far more than the cost of just writing it off.
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half those dudes are hotter than ,my GF.
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Originally Posted by RevYouUp
reading this thread is like waiting for goku to charge up a spirit bomb in dragon ball z
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OH thank god. I thought u had sex with my wife. :cry:
Unless they're trained in how to work on HV systems and have the proper PPE I think they were correct to not pull the shield off, HV/arc flash is no joke. The owner saying "there's nothing wrong with it" just because they could drive it is meaningless. The potential liability if someone says it's safe when it isn't could end up costing far more than the cost of just writing it off.
I understand and do not disagree with what you are saying here. But assuming the anecdote is mostly correct from the owner's perspective, the fact that Hyundai and its dealership network do not have the necessary number of certified EV techs to support their clients is a significant problem on at least multiple fronts. And one of the potential outcome is exactly what has been described on at least 2 - 3 occasions -- instead of having a qualified tech to inspect and properly diagnose the issue, they just invoked the nuclear option of "let's replace the battery". This in turn leads to having a nearly brand new car scrapped because the nuclear option cost is just too costly. If it could be properly diagnosed to be a $5k repair, or even $10k repair, a lot of money and resources would have been saved.
I understand and do not disagree with what you are saying here. But assuming the anecdote is mostly correct from the owner's perspective, the fact that Hyundai and its dealership network do not have the necessary number of certified EV techs to support their clients is a significant problem on at least multiple fronts. And one of the potential outcome is exactly what has been described on at least 2 - 3 occasions -- instead of having a qualified tech to inspect and properly diagnose the issue, they just invoked the nuclear option of "let's replace the battery". This in turn leads to having a nearly brand new car scrapped because the nuclear option cost is just too costly. If it could be properly diagnosed to be a $5k repair, or even $10k repair, a lot of money and resources would have been saved.
Is that something any manufacturer even offers/is that possible with how these batteries are made? It sounds more like the problem is that the battery is considered to be a single piece and has to be replaced as a complete unit.
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1992 Toyota Celica GT-S ["sold"] \\ 2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD [sold] \\ 2000 Jeep Cherokee [sold] \\ 1997 Honda Prelude [sold] \\ 1992 Jeep YJ [sold/crashed] \\ 1987 Mazda RX-7 [sold] \\ 1987 Toyota Celica GT-S [crushed]
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half those dudes are hotter than ,my GF.
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Originally Posted by RevYouUp
reading this thread is like waiting for goku to charge up a spirit bomb in dragon ball z
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Originally Posted by Good_KarMa
OH thank god. I thought u had sex with my wife. :cry:
Probably not legal action against a party. More likely legal team to do damage control with any future correspondence.
I'm guessing OpenRoad's doing damage control because the news article identifies Richmond (OpenRoad) as the dealership when the battery quote from MotorMouth video actually shows Hyundai Boundary (no longer part of OpenRoad).
LFP battery perform worse in the winter ... RedFlagDeals is full of complaints from Ontario drivers
Small driving sample
So far based on my driving my base model y, if I were to give it 80% usage, it can go 300km which is miles better than my 3, this is with the climate control on full automatic, heated seats, and heated steering wheel.
Hopefully I'll get a better picture when I go out for longer drives.
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wtf did she get some bolt-on titties or what?
they look sooooooooooo much bigger than they were 2ish years ago.
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Is that something any manufacturer even offers/is that possible with how these batteries are made? It sounds more like the problem is that the battery is considered to be a single piece and has to be replaced as a complete unit.
Yeah part of the problem is that EVs haven't been out long enough and at sufficient scale that there are enough capable techs to go around. You have to really know what you're doing to get inside the black box. I think only recently has BCIT begun offering an EV specific program.
But yeah can totally get into the pack and methodically rebuild whatever part has failed, just like you can rebuild an ICE motor as needed. You don't have to just throw out the whole thing.
New EV company based in Northern BC. They will be selling hybrid conversion kits for semi's and pickup trucks. A CAT diesel generator combined with batteries and an electric axle.
New EV company based in Northern BC. They will be selling hybrid conversion kits for semi's and pickup trucks. A CAT diesel generator combined with batteries and an electric axle.
A friend of mine has worked in a few startups that tried this. His conclusion is that it's waste of time.
It's simply not cost effective and their only clients were running large fleets with worn out engines. Even then, it would have been cheaper for them to buy new hybrids, but politically it was a good move.
The main issue they faced was essentially having to rewrite all the safety programs and everything else the ECU controlled. Really not worth it.
I also had a discussion with him recently on using an ICE engine to run as a generator in the car instead of the wheels. Interestingly enough he had a presentation that he wrote for one of the large Chinese firms showing how it was more efficient to drive the wheels then charge a system that drives the wheels. In all scenarios the conversion losses from kinetic to chemical and back to kinetic made it less efficient.
A friend of mine has worked in a few startups that tried this. His conclusion is that it's waste of time.
It's simply not cost effective and their only clients were running large fleets with worn out engines. Even then, it would have been cheaper for them to buy new hybrids, but politically it was a good move.
The main issue they faced was essentially having to rewrite all the safety programs and everything else the ECU controlled. Really not worth it.
I also had a discussion with him recently on using an ICE engine to run as a generator in the car instead of the wheels. Interestingly enough he had a presentation that he wrote for one of the large Chinese firms showing how it was more efficient to drive the wheels then charge a system that drives the wheels. In all scenarios the conversion losses from kinetic to chemical and back to kinetic made it less efficient.
My understanding is its for older trucks from the 70's and 80's.
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someone on another board was asking if 0.9% financing on a new miata is gonna get cheaper
car sales in generally are just adjusting to pre-shortage normalcy?
like homes they stalled pretty hard in late 2019 iirc
nah this is just Mazda sales and marketshare declining year over year even though they had availability while other brands have shortages.
They need to subsidize finance rates to move units.
People who still buy cars drive a fair bit of mileage (i.e. suburb US) and need to carry things (i.e. space).
Space hybrid is basically a must at this point ... neither of which Mazda has.
Mazda on the other hand are selling to city people who still drive, have good taste and want a car (think Austin, Philly, SF, etc)
...not only is this market declining but they also don't offer the right features.
If I were Mazda product planning (got offered a job for Nissan product planning), I would....
1) pull a Volvo and gas mild hybrid EVERY car for marketing purpose and add 360 cam in lower model
2) Prominent product placement with Bose in each tier 2 location's business district with outdoor gear in the trunk.
3) Now that they use TFS, offer discounted franchise fees for Toyota dealer owners (Mazda dealer network is SO thin)
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