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Old 01-12-2024, 11:24 AM   #3651
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I agree with counting out the RZ in your case, especially since you're relying on public charging with long road trips in the mix. I throw it in as an option since it's a nice car for those looking for a well-built, comfortable commuter EV with access to home charging. The lower 2 trims of the RZ qualify for provincial rebates, plus Lexus gave out manufacturer incentives in the past as well.

My parents for one enjoy their RZ more than their Model Y - the ride quality, interior comfort, and mix of physical / touchscreen infotainment controls worked better for them. Their short drives with a home charging setup minimize the RZ's range/charging concerns, and I'm a happy camper because they're no longer panic-calling me for help with finding a function in the Tesla.
My daily is an RZ. I enjoy it way better than anything comparable that Tesla has to offer. Fit and finish, ride quality and interior comfort are all in typical Lexus fashion. But yes, the range is trash at only 210km on a good day with climate control set to auto. I live near a level 3 charger so I tend to go there for a bit and kill time in Superstore if I can't charge in my garage (level 2) as I have two cars in there, the summer car and the project car that I try not to move in and out as much as I can
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For the last three months of 2023, Lucid built just 2,231 Air EVs and delivered 1,734 of those to customers. The results for the whole year weren't any better—Lucid built 8,428 cars and delivered 6,001 of those.
Not sure how much more money the Saudi's can pour into Lucid but selling just 6000 cars isn't a winning proposition as far as I'm aware. I wonder if their next step is to start licensing their electric motor tech (which seems to be the most advanced). There's no way the Saudis make their money back on this investment though.
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Saudi surely isn't getting their money back on the Lucid investment on monetary terms, but is that really their goal? Do they really care about getting any monetary ROI?

I don't have any intimate knowledge on the oil-rich ME countries' mindset, but based on various whitewashing / sportswashing that we have been seeing esp through the last few years, that's the impression that I get -- their real goal isn't something measured in direct monetary terms. Instead, it is part of their larger whitewashing, international PR operations.
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Gas pumps also don't like the cold. The colder it gets the slower it gets until they stop working.

https://calgary.citynews.ca/video/20...-gas-stations/
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Gas pumps also don't like the cold. The colder it gets the slower it gets until they stop working.

https://calgary.citynews.ca/video/20...-gas-stations/
"Some gas bumps are freezing" is a lot different than every single car takes 2-3x as long as before to charge and costs almost $100 of supercharger use.

Nevermind the rolling blackouts for electricity usage in Calgary.
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"Some gas bumps are freezing" is a lot different than every single car takes 2-3x as long as before to charge and costs almost $100 of supercharger use.

Nevermind the rolling blackouts for electricity usage in Calgary.
Gas pumps also slow way down in the cold. This is in -28 degrees weather. It would take about a hour for a full tank.

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Speaking of EV and the Alberta power outages, anyone have one of those solar power generators? That jackery, bluetti, thinking of getting one just in case for emergencies
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20 minutes for 10 litres even in that rare ocurrence, off you go, good for 100km+ on most cars. Find another station if you gotta, they're not all going to be like that.
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lol having lived in very very cold places, I can’t say I’ve ever noticed a slow gas pump.
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I bought the 1KW Ecoflow Delta2 with the 220W bifacial panel package for camping last year. It worked great for camping, but for the $2k price tag if you just want emergency power you'd be better off just getting a dual fuel generator (so you can use propane, which doesn't go stale like gas).

On average we'd run it down to like 30%, and I was fortunate that while camping 8 of the 9 days we had enough sun that it was able to fully charge itself on the solar panel without issue. But the last day was overcast all day and barely made 20% all day.
For that reason I'm still going to get a small generator for my next trip. The ecoflow will just allow us to use power outside of allowed generator run times in the campsite. (which is important because the main reason I bought it was to run my CPAP overnight)
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Gas pumps also slow way down in the cold. This is in -28 degrees weather. It would take about a hour for a full tank.

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That's probably moisture in the likes/filters that froze and are blocking them. It's more of a maintenance issue on that pump. It's not normal for them to go that slow.

Like 68Style said the pumps at the next gas station over are not likely going to be doing that.
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Ok, so I just went to Revelstoke during the last cold snap. It was -15 or lower from Chilliwack reaching as low as -33 while I was in Revy.

My 2019 Model 3 took a hit in range, as expected since it didn't have heat pump, but I've always charged at full speed (170kwh, the max it could take) other than on the way back where I had to allow the car's battery to warm up after parking it outside under -30 for a few days. But even that it wasn't that bad. I just select the trip, it calculated that I needed to charge at Revy's SuperCharger and started warming the battery... went in for a last coffee with my bud before leaving for about 20min... and then full speed charging the entire way back.

It's about people still being very noob to what EVs do in the cold. It's like if you drive an ICE car, you, especially a diesel one, you'd turn your car on for a bit to warm it up before starting to drive. It's the same thing... not to mention that in that kind of temperature, if one were to park their ICE car outside overnight, you can run into the risk that car wouldn't start at all or in the case of most modern ECUs, burn a lot of gas just so that the engine can go back to normal operating temperature.

It's really all a matter of habits. People just aren't used to it. Like people thought it was hilarious that one needed to "buy gas" when ICE cars first started back in the days. Eventually as market adopts, things like this would become common knowledge. Most people wouldn't understand the "WHY" they do it... but it's just the way it is.
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How much of a range hit did your model 3 take ?

So last week when it was -14 my coworker who bought a new model Y last month said his car went from 80% charge (he keeps it capped at 80%) to 41% after driving only 5kms to tnt. At 41% it said the range was only 80kms.

That would give me huge anxiety
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How much of a range hit did your model 3 take ?

So last week when it was -14 my coworker who bought a new model Y last month said his car went from 80% charge (he keeps it capped at 80%) to 41% after driving only 5kms to tnt. At 41% it said the range was only 80kms.

That would give me huge anxiety
Psh you're just an EV noob. Once you know the WHY, you should be able to adapt to the fact that your car will drop significantly in range to a random number of remaining kilometers AFTER you've driven away an unknown distance from home.

Like you know when you start your corolla and it's super cold outside? Your ECU actually burns a lot of gas to warm up and that also reduces your fuel mileage than standard weather and you aren't able to predict how much gas you have left? SAME THING.
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So if my tank was 80% full, getting 85kms out of said tank is acceptable. Got it.
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A diesel truck with a tidy tank could drive like 5000km without having to stop for gas once

You could have Elon blowing you in a long range model S and you probably wouldn’t make 400k in -20
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