Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[Badhobz]

I honestly thought before he went all bat-shit insane that he was actively trying to make humanity better.

Now he's just a went full retard and all the money/ego went to his head.

The good ideas:
Star link
Space X
Tesla

The bad ideas:
his outlook on society
his own ego
the way he runs his companies
the way he treats people
the way he's running some of his companies into the ground (twitter, tesla,)

Man this guy's gone completely insane nowadays. Giving him Money via Tesla is basically fueling his insanity. For that reason alone people should stop buying these stupid products.

The cachet of owning one is also completely turned 180. From what used to be a new-fangled luxury vehicle, that's branded as good for the environment, to basically a fucking uber eats car driven by cheap-os and people who buy it because it works out better than base model civic.

Its funny to think that Manic in this thread a few pages back kept harking on about how these ultra rich knobs who own private planes are swapping their lambos and ferraris for tesla's. Yeah right man... if you had serious cash you wouldnt be caught dead with one of these delivery vehicles. Even If you didnt care about image, (then you wouldnt have bought the flashy cars to begin with) people are shying away from his products. Hell dealerships arent even taking them in.

[supafamous]

Elon has been pretty comfortable saying and supporting anti-semitic statements on his own Twitter account. I don't see why gathering proof is needed any longer - this is basically settled law.

Like if someone says something anti-semitic and someone else goes "You're right!" and does it repeatedly - is that up for debate if the person is an anti-semite? Or do you go and say it's a conspiracy by the left wing media to make him an anti-semite?

[Hondaracer]

Anti-anti-semitism so trendy these days!

The problem with Tesla is him as a figure head is bad for the company. It’s not like any other automaker is so virtuous. Buy a BMW and turn your nose up at Tesla for the ethical reasons? lol I find that pretty rich.

“Car” people don’t buy Teslas as Hobz said, they are turning into an Uber eats billboard. I also can’t believe how fucking bad Tesla drivers are. I watched some chick who works in my office fail to park her model Y FIVE times yesterday

I always think to myself when I see this shit, you’ve got a car that basically drives itself, and you still can’t fucking drive ffs..

Outside of like, a Model S plaid, which I think is a legitimately good looking car, the rest of their lineup is hideous imo. We have a friend who has a model 3 and he’s like oh yea love this car such a great looking car etc. I’m like bro.. I don’t know what you’re seeing but a Fiat 500 has better styling

[JDMDreams]

I don't get this high horse woke mentality. Then buy a f150 or gm EV like Biden says is the best. Maybe a du ma vinfast or fisker. A Hyundai and scratch your battery, a leaf? They don't become the EV top sales in the world if their product is shit. Who else is actually driving growth and makes a profit. Only Elon or China.

[68style]

I mean, I do notice a Tesla drivers doing pretty inane shit in Richmond too, but I think it's just confirmation bias... that chick in your office would fail to park her car 5 times no matter what she's driving... getting a Tesla didn't suddenly make her shit at it.

Also there's a HUGE difference between what the figurehead of a company IS doing in 2024 vs what a few of them WERE doing in 1941.

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I don't get this high horse woke mentality. Then buy a f150 or gm EV like Biden says is the best. Maybe a du ma vinfast or fisker. A Hyundai and scratch your battery, a leaf? They don't become the EV top sales in the world if their product is shit. Who else is actually driving growth and makes a profit. Only Elon or China.

Where did anyone say anything about the product itself being bad? I wouldn't buy products from any CEO who talked like this motherfucker does no matter how good they are, there are SO MANY choices which you've kind of alluded to.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

I honestly thought before he went all bat-shit insane that he was actively trying to make humanity better.

Nah he's always been nuts, it's just become more obvious over time.

Originally Posted by Badhobz

The good ideas:
Star link
Space X
Tesla

Tesla was started by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning in 2003. Musk was just an early investor.

[JDMDreams]

Trump says pretty dumb ass things, commit fraud, hires hookers people still love him long time

[Hondaracer]

Originally Posted by 68style

I mean, I do notice a Tesla drivers doing pretty inane shit in Richmond too, but I think it's just confirmation bias... that chick in your office would fail to park her car 5 times no matter what she's driving... getting a Tesla didn't suddenly make her shit at it.

Also there's a HUGE difference between what the figurehead of a company IS doing in 2024 vs what a few of them WERE doing in 1941.



Where did anyone say anything about the product itself being bad numbnuts?

I think the difference with every other automaker is there is no figurehead. So even if stories come out about using slave labour for their batteries or terrible labour practices, or whatever else comes out, there isn’t 1 person to blame. No one has ever heard from the CEO of Ford or a VP from Mercedes, these people are all low key and work behind the scenes, I’m sure they are all equally POS’s

They just aren’t out doing podcasts and all the other shit musk does

[Badhobz]

so my friend Yiffany has a beat up old 328xi that's breaking down (SURPRISING I KNOW) and she's like I GOTZ NO MONEYS, but i dont wanna keep paying BMW repair money

So im like you should get a Tesla model 3 Jiffany, that its only like 600 bucks a month with zero down and if you deduct the gas price, its cheaper than a civic.

Hiffany's like FUCK YOU, i dont want to be seen in a piece of shit Tesla!!!!

and thats all you need to know about Tesla's image nowadays. A broke ass bitch wouldnt even want to be seen in one because her 13 year old BMW has more status than uber eats car.

[mikemhg]

Elon is a fool, but even more weird are his evangelicals.

Imagine simping online for a billionaire as if you're a member of his family like Hehe, it's so strange how some people align themselves with a cult of personality like that, then jump online to defend them vehemently.

I'm hearing less and less Tesla praise nowadays -- with the stock dropping, c-suite execs selling their shares off, DOJ investigation for possible fraud over FSR, things aren't looking good over there.

It's all quite amusing to watch.

[Hondaracer]

I’m sure there’s a bunch of left leaning weirdos twisted in pretzels over their desire to save the planet driving a Tesla VS Elons hot takes on society and govt.

[68style]

Well those people have already done a bunch of mental gymnastics rationalizing how buying a brand new manufactured car is helping the environment out, what's a few more pommel horse spins

[EvoFire]

Tesla is in a bit of dichotomy right now.

On one side the progressively minded ppl are who wants to save the planet and likes the green(ish) image of an all EV company portrays.

But those same ppl hate the BS that Musk represents.

I myself don't really care about Musk. He's gonna get his money one way or another, and if anything he'll lose all of it before he gets old at the rate he's going. My problem with Tesla is it's still not fitting for me as a family car, and I hate a bunch of physical things with the cars and that EV just doesn't work for me outside of using it as a commuter.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by mikemhg

Elon is a fool, but even more weird are his evangelicals.

Imagine simping online for a billionaire as if you're a member of his family like Hehe, it's so strange how some people align themselves with a cult of personality like that, then jump online to defend them vehemently.

I'm hearing less and less Tesla praise nowadays -- with the stock dropping, c-suite execs selling their shares off, DOJ investigation for possible fraud over FSR, things aren't looking good over there.

It's all quite amusing to watch.

The problem here is people talking shit without being able to substantiate the claim. I spend the vast amount of my free time reading and talking to friends and families, some whom has a vast more amount of knowledge and wisdom than I could ever dream of acquiring. Left and right wings, Jews and Catholics, people of all sort of colors.

But it still narrows down to facts when it comes to what it actually matters. That’s the only thing we can all agree on. We can agree to disagree, since we each have our own opinion.

People have been talking shit about Tesla since its beginning. The original people who started Tesla wanted nothing more than a niche product. A glorified golf cart. It wasn’t until Elon jumped in and pivot the whole company into the behemoth it is today. If you think for a second that people who wanted to build electrified cars using ICE car chassis can bring Tesla to what it is today, you are sorely mistaken.

People let their emotions get in the way of thinking, which is fine, as we are emotional beings. But if I learned anything in the last few years is to separate my emotions with my decisions. Which I’m still working on. A rabbi I met in Argentina is easily one of the wisest person I’ve ever met once told me, it’s not about what religion you believe, it’s about what good you can do for the society that matters. And if you do good in the world, you are a son of God, regardless what God you believe in.

And I’ve been doing just that. I’m selfish that I only want to help in the area that I deem as important. It’s just me. But I try to help as much as I can. I don’t agree with the philosophy of the organization that my parents are in, even when they are using their wealth in good cause while expanding their influence politically and socially. So I’m doing my own charity work in order to help children with autism in Asia , however little that help is in the grand scheme of things, it’s the help that the world could use my fortunate life relative to others.

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by Hehe

And I’ve been doing just that. I’m selfish that I only want to help in the area that I deem as important. It’s just me. But I try to help as much as I can. I don’t agree with the philosophy of the organization that my parents are in, even when they are using their wealth in good cause while expanding their influence politically and socially. So I’m doing my own charity work in order to help children with autism in Asia , however little that help is in the grand scheme of things, it’s the help that the world could use my fortunate life relative to others.

Every other post you make is about how much cash your parents have bro.

Then every other other post is about how awesome Elon is

[68style]

Originally Posted by Hehe

Not sure which interview you refer to specifically. If you are talking about the one about illegal immigration to the US, where exactly is the replacement theory suggestion?

Uh... maybe the part where he said Biden is letting illegal immigrants into the USA at an ever increasing rate so they will all vote Democrat?

Again, I don’t have a problem of people having opinion about whoever. The problem I see today is people make claims on their opinion and pass it on as facts. You said Elon Musk is racist. However, a more precise statement is you think he is racist. You have a prejudice against him that you are not willing to admit. Because prejudice is the very essence of any form of discrimination and you want to justify your point of view without you looking bad in any shape or form.

Same as any lefties out there. It’s always this being a victim ideology. Everything that’s wrong is about something or someone else unless that person is in power. However, why can’t it be that the people in power are just trying to preserve our way of life and value? And if you feel that is discrimination. Then do explain why sticking to the Canadian, American or any countries value is discriminative? Value of a certain place is nothing more than an established expectation of the society. Without it, we cannot function properly. There are rules and laws in place for a reason.

Hehe claiming someone else is irrational for having a biased opinion about Elon Musk has to be the highlight of my day

I didn't always hate that mofo, I gave him chance after chance, I regarded him as a genius in many ways and he still is... but he just keeps getting worse and worse. How is that discriminatory toward him? He changed my views of him as a person all by his lonesome. Maybe you should open your eyes and see your idol for what he really is?

"Preserve our way of life and values" dude you're even talking like a dog whistling white nationalist yourself, and you're ASIAN!!! lol

[noclue]

When did EV's become so political?

Is it the insufferable environmentalist who preach EVs as the savior?
Or is it the right-wing idiots who associate EV's as a threat to oil & gas/detroit or losing the man-card not driving a 6.7L diesel truck?

I bought my model Y for financial and tech entertainment value only, not because I love enron musk or the environment.

[Badhobz]

^and thats fine. Im pretty sure 99% of the people who are buying these things are buying it because its cheap, it works, and it'll save them money.

my problem is that it directly funds terrorism.... eruhhhh Elonism

and its a fucking ugly piece of shit (besides model S) that's poorly built

[68style]

It’s a personal choice for sure, I just can’t get past that some part of my $ is going to him and there’s other choices.

Product works good and I always tell people if they’re absolutely sold on buying electric that Tesla is the best one available / makes the most sense. If you don’t care about driving the same thing as everyone else or who Elon is then that’s fine too, just not my personal choice.

[AstulzerRZD]

I didn't know there were MUD terrain tires, which have a tread pattern so aggressive that it shakes the car under 30kmh.
Even with MUD terrain (not all terrain or highway all season) and the top off, I'm getting around 24mpg which is exactly what the large Toyota hybrid BOF trucks are rated for too

Free charging at Amazon office.
Was offered a GV80 Hybrid of M3 Long Range as Avis as well

[freakshow]

Props to you guys for making purchasing decisions based on the ethics of each company's CEO. Seems like you may run out of companies to buy from pretty fast though

[underscore]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

I didn't know there were MUD terrain tires, which have a tread pattern so aggressive that it shakes the car under 30kmh.

That's just a Wrangler thing

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by freakshow

Props to you guys for making purchasing decisions based on the ethics of each company's CEO. Seems like you may run out of companies to buy from pretty fast though

I wish more people did that, in fact.

Elon (or Enron as noclue calls him) is a pretty polarizing figure, more so than I'd say a lot of CEOs out there. I don't think it's functionally difficult to avoid purchasing a Tesla out of dislike of the man.

Heck, the way they drop prices at whim is more than reason enough to avoid purchasing such a depreciating asset.

I don't shop at Walmart because I hate the Walton family, I know it changes nothing, but it's my own personal little protest.

[supafamous]

Originally Posted by freakshow

Props to you guys for making purchasing decisions based on the ethics of each company's CEO. Seems like you may run out of companies to buy from pretty fast though

Depends on where the line is drawn. Steve Jobs was a terrible father to his first child and was quite often a terrible person in the early years of his career but that hasn't stopped me from buying seemingly buying every Apple product out there. Jeff Bezos was a tyrant and definitely squeezed the shit out of a lot of other companies in anti-competitive ways but I worked for him and buy shitloads of stuff from Amazon.

Neither though openly promoted Nazis, are anti-semitic, and happily promote all sorts of hate on a social media platform (directly or indirectly). I still use Twitter though but I'd never buy a Tesla as it's very little skin off my back.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Every other post you make is about how much cash your parents have bro.

Then every other other post is about how awesome Elon is

They are rich by most standards. But they also have the inherent problem of being successful. They feel that what they think is right. And they couldn’t care less about what people has to say about them.

Furthermore, they and their buddies use their wealth to influence the society in ways that I don’t always agree. They disguise it as charity, when in fact there are many things going on behind the scenes.

I despise what they do and think there’s much more they can do with their plan as in donating their entire fortune to split the society. They strongly believe that societal hierarchy is necessary. And when they’ve got hundred of millions between their peers, a lot can be done at their will.

I make less than 1/10 of them and between all my peers and theirs , we probably don’t even have 1/100 of them. But I still believe in doing less, one step at a time is better than throwing millions and try to shape the entire society as they see fit is more beneficial.