Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[G]

Anyone heard of any feedback on the Audi Q4 Etron? In the market and saw it as an alternative to the model Y.

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by G

Anyone heard of any feedback on the Audi Q4 Etron? In the market and saw it as an alternative to the model Y.

I've driven it a few times, basically feels like a Q5 but electric. Very normal car feeling. Range is not as good as Teslas. Interior is a damn sight better though. No frunk if that matters to you. Power is adequate.

No 360 camera is a big bummer in my opinion.

[G]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

I've driven it a few times, basically feels like a Q5 but electric. Very normal car feeling. Range is not as good as Teslas. Interior is a damn sight better though. No frunk if that matters to you. Power is adequate.

No 360 camera is a big bummer in my opinion.

Thanks for the review!

Is the 360 a part of the higher technik package? Or just not available overall?

[SSM_DC5]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

I've driven it a few times, basically feels like a Q5 but electric. Very normal car feeling. Range is not as good as Teslas. Interior is a damn sight better though. No frunk if that matters to you. Power is adequate.

No 360 camera is a big bummer in my opinion.

If they feel the same, do they simulate turbo lag or is it instant torque?

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by SSM_DC5

It's a cousin, trade in value or less and be done with it. Do you really need to squeeze every last bit out of family?

yes cuz family means jack shit all nowadays. Ive seen more family on family exploitations than amongst friends/colleagues. At least with friends and colleagues you need to pretend you have some decency. With family you can just be a total piece of shit and ultimately youre still family.

if it was my bitch ass cousin from shanghai, id charge her 3x the market rate

why not? she has cash. fuck her

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

I've driven it a few times, basically feels like a Q5 but electric. Very normal car feeling. Range is not as good as Teslas. Interior is a damn sight better though. No frunk if that matters to you. Power is adequate.

No 360 camera is a big bummer in my opinion.

It's an interesting trend I've noticed with the frunk, most of the established auto players aren't offering a frunk. The shared platform cars I can understand like the Kona EV, BMW i4, etc as the front engine area and passenger volume may not be suited to keep mechanics or electronics for best space optimization. But for cars like the VW ID/Audi Q4, BMW iX, Hyundai ionic5, and MB EQE. They are all bespoke platforms but all lack a frunk. You'd think they'd be able to optimize all the bits and make a frunk.

While I was typing that, I guess maybe it's good for ease of repair. Something that a regular automaker would think about, but Tesla probably won't.

[underscore]

I would expect it makes it easier for them to design crumple zones too. I would expect they need to factor in somebody putting something solid in there and adjust the rest of it accordingly. With no frunk they can do whatever they like.

[Traum]

The additional storage space afforded by a frunk is so useful though. From a consumer's point of view, it's a matter of everyday practicality and usability. Essentially, it is almost as important as having good cabin space (vs having crappy cabin space).

IMO, EV specific plantforms not having a frunk is purely a matter of manufacturer laziness -- if they want to do it, I'm sure it can be done. The Ford Lightning, for example, has a ginormous frunk that is super practical. They are not doing it only bcos it makes the manufacturer's job easier, and they think they can get away with it. After all, most ICE cars don't have a frunk either, and the consumers are just fine with that too, right?

[JDMDreams]

The mustang has a frunk too, I'm surprised so many dedicated EV don't have a frunk

[!Aznboi128]

I always find using the frunk a bit annoying.... I rather put stuff behind the driver seat if anything.

[EvoFire]

I got two kids, the backseats are full of kids stuff. A frunk is a uniquely useful thing because I back in to all my spots, being able to put things in the front is just more convenient.

Alas we are looking for a plugin hybrid so there would be no frunk anyways. If I were to go for an EV then I would really require it to have a frunk.

If they made a mid engine AWD SUV, that would give me a frunk?

[Badhobz]

Wait a minute. You shat out another one ?! I thought you only have one hellspawn.

Congrats I guess…

Why the fuck did you create two of these half Guangdong half shanghainese things ?!? Stop trying to bridge our two cultures !

[dark0821]

bro its too late, I have two as well looooooooool

Lack of frunk is really just to save on R&D, because rather than a dedicated design from the ground up radiator, fuse box, brake master, battery tray, windshield washer reservoir etc etc

We will just borrow from our gasoline brethren~~~ Which has no frunk to design around in the 1st place, that's why you see them all over the place under the hood.

The EV exclusive brands have frunks is because there are no existing parts bin to borrow components from. So if you are going to design on the clean slate, might as well make sure everything is designed with a frunk in mind

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by G

Thanks for the review!

Is the 360 a part of the higher technik package? Or just not available overall?

Not available overall I think, even though some of the moldings are there for camera holes. Not sure if they've updated the 2025 model with it but 2024 did not have it for sure.

Originally Posted by SSM_DC5

If they feel the same, do they simulate turbo lag or is it instant torque?

The motors are tuned a bit differently than Tesla, it "builds" up more, there's a gradual build to full power rather than the instant neck snap you get in a Tesla.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Wait a minute. You shat out another one ?! I thought you only have one hellspawn.

Congrats I guess…

Why the fuck did you create two of these half Guangdong half shanghainese things ?!? Stop trying to bridge our two cultures !

I think wife was already pregnant when we first met, the little one is almost 17 months old

Originally Posted by roastpuff

Not available overall I think, even though some of the moldings are there for camera holes. Not sure if they've updated the 2025 model with it but 2024 did not have it for sure.


The motors are tuned a bit differently than Tesla, it "builds" up more, there's a gradual build to full power rather than the instant neck snap you get in a Tesla.

That tuning is a VAG thing, their e-tron feels the same and tbh I'm not a fan of it.

[Koflach]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

^why ? I thought it’s basically the best EV in the market right now.

All the build quality side, the software and charging system is still best in class.

Elon has turned me off from giving him more money. I've said for a while that once other companies start adopting the NACS charger, I would then consider buying something else. Rivian will be using it on the R2S so I no longer feel the need to be stuck buying another Tesla for my next vehicle.

[JDMDreams]

^^ will rivian even exist

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

^^ will rivian even exist

Saudi gov wants to kick start domestic automotive manufacturing and supply chain ... and Rivian's presence is a part of that.

IMO they're going to keep funding Rivian for the forseeable future.

[Koflach]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

^^ will rivian even exist

why wouldn't they exist in 5 years? They are in the growth stage right now with a lot of one time capital expenditures. Their cost per vehicle is only going down as their capital purchases get paid down. I have a lot of belief in them being a very big competitor to Tesla over other EV companies Lucid or Vinfast. I like the Lucid but the design of their vehicle is a little too out there for me.

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by Koflach

Elon has turned me off from giving him more money. I've said for a while that once other companies start adopting the NACS charger, I would then consider buying something else. Rivian will be using it on the R2S so I no longer feel the need to be stuck buying another Tesla for my next vehicle.

Yeah he’s a real peach that one. Stupid Elon

I honestly didn’t have any problems with Tesla until he started spewing his views on shit and now I can’t disassociate the car brand from his insanity.

To be honest it shouldn’t bother me as much as it does but just the thought of giving him money makes me uncomfortable

[JDMDreams]

Cuz building EVs ain't easy, how many has failed? All manufacturers are walking back from EV. Frisker 2.0? 3.0? Karma? Lordstown? Lucid? Canoo? The only one that maybe can make it is vinfast as it seems like they are really trying to push affordable EVs. Even legacy EVs are pretty shit, look at bz4x shit, aria, where's the gm stuff. And Toyota, Nissan, GM had like a 20 year head start.

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Yeah he’s a real peach that one. Stupid Elon

I honestly didn’t have any problems with Tesla until he started spewing his views on shit and now I can’t disassociate the car brand from his insanity.

To be honest it shouldn’t bother me as much as it does but just the thought of giving him money makes me uncomfortable

Totally this.

I was certain we'd get a Model Y next. Now I'm straining to justify getting anything but that.

The EV9 has widely known issues with draining its 12V battery overnight and bricking itself. And even then I'm rationalizing ohh, maybe they'll fix it by MY2025 later this year. And that it isn't so bad to carry a battery jumper pack around! Just in case it happens to me lol.

[sonick]

Lol the struggle to justify buying a Tesla the same struggle to justify voting for Trudeau.

Probably still the best choice, but also wishing there was a better option.

[dark0821]

I dont want to sound like a Tesla fanboy, but honestly, separate Elon from Tesla, he isn't even the founder, just early investor. /// as many above has mentioned, they just got the correct formula in today's market.

I will say the updated 2025 Ioniq 5 is getting closer to the Tesla formula, but when the time finally comes when the Ioniq 5 ships with NACS port, I think then we will be on even playing field. Slower than the Y for sure, but more feature sets hahaha...

Another thing going for Tesla, especially in the Asian community is that, they think Tesla is an entry premmy brand (which we know the fit and finish is far from it), whereas all the other competing brands are "base tier" brands like Hyundai, Toyota, Subaru, Nissan, Ford etc etc etc

[mikemhg]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

^^ will rivian even exist

Considering they just signed a contract for services with my company, I'd say so

Not a usual move for a company going belly up.