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Originally Posted by bcrdukes (Post 9156869)

Interesting you mention that.

The other week, a friend of mine came over to visit in his Tesla and we went for a drive. He used self driving mode most of the time and at the end of the day, my conclusion was:

1. This is not a car for me (Telsa, or full electric.) I want to hear and feel the feedback of my vehicle, but this is from a car enthusiast perspective.

2. The overall experience was very dull. Boring ride and eerily quiet. Maybe because of its refinement. Of course, this is a very personal opinion.

3. I can see how an EV would be attractive to certain people. People like my siblings who don't care about about cars and treat them like appliances and don't even like driving. (We are mortal enemies from that perspective.)

You aren't the regular car user. What you listed as cons is a plus to at least half the people out there. I love how quiet the X5 is in EV mode, but being able to flip it to sport mode and fire up the "big" 6 cyl is nice though.

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Originally Posted by RabidRat (Post 9156864)

I think this is a missed opportunity in marketing EVs.

Let's say you didn't care about economy and reliability. A huge benefit of EV motors is the refinement. Gets rid of all the thrashy noises. Instant, girthy torque, flat all the way up.

The only thing you're missing at that point is the engine note of performance motors that some customers deliberately want to hear, but that's a specific market segment. Wouldn't most car buyers - luxury included - just want a silent drivetrain if they could have it?

Does an MDX buyer really specifically seek to hear their J35? I would think only the Type-S buyer would rather hear it so badly that they'd desire to give up the electric refinement. But really how many Type-S are even selling?

The MDX is a poor example though, the Type S doesn't even match up to the base X5 or GLE in teams of power, and for this class of car, power is all that matters if you are looking for performance. I haven't driven the base MDX, but I feel like it'll fall in the category of "the gas pedal is a volume control", press it more for more sound with minimal perceivable change in acceleration. Oh and it'll drain the gas tank faster too.

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Originally Posted by EvoFire (Post 9156889)

He got a point tho - there are cues that drivers often rely on to not have to look at the screen all the time.

These are all things Tesla blows at but Porsche/Ford/BMW/Hyundai/GM have sorted:

- the motor noise changing when you're at speed so you know to let off the gas
- consistent warnings and behaviour for autodrive
- steering that tells you something about the road
- chassis with reasonable damping and feedback
- not forcing heavy regen braking (which isn't even efficient)

For the gas car crowd, a Mach E GT or Rally, Ioniq 5 N, Taycan, or i4 would scratch the itch under 40k used.
Ford/BMW/Porsche have very reasonable app, charging integration, etc.

^^ where are these under $40k taycan??

More important, the $40K used Ioniq 5 N

Because I will legit buy one, not because I work for Hyundai, I actually really like the car.

The only reason it is not in my driveway =
- i buried myself in the model 3 (no way I am getting out ...ever llololol)
- i dont make enough money to be able to drop $95K on a car... doesnt matter which car

hahahaha

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Originally Posted by red kryptonite (Post 9156911)

^^ where are these under $40k taycan??

~25k USD / 35 CAD for Mach-E GT Performance:
tbh this is my pick
https://www.autotempest.com/results?...ntry&drive=awd

~45k USD you can Taycan 4S but tbh I'd rather recommend Lucid Air GT:
Lucid has 800+ real world range, great charging, S class interior & E39 feeling to chassis and inputs.
Taycan has best charging, cheap interior, 450km real range (srsly, this shit is way worse than a Malibu; makes a Charger look like S class)
https://www.autotempest.com/results?...ntry&drive=awd
https://www.autotempest.com/results?...ntry&drive=awd

~55k USD for Ioniq 5N:
They fixed the snap oversteer, sloppy inputs, and low range in the EV6 GT.
https://www.autotempest.com/results?...ntry&drive=awd

I do not recommend the Model 3 Performance, ZDX Type S, or Plaid.
Once you put something wider than 235 (Civic SI width and OE Tesla) like 265 PS4S on the Model 3 Perf, you get only 300km range.
Charges less than half as fast as Taycan and Ioniq, like 45 minutes 10-90.

Lucid Air GT just popped up on my feed - $115k CAD

https://www.facebook.com/share/1At3Y2fzws/

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Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS (Post 9157062)

Lucid Air GT just popped up on my feed - $115k CAD

https://www.facebook.com/share/1At3Y2fzws/

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FWIW every car has compromises except for Lucid - first time I sit and drive was like "where has this been all my life".

More practically... Porsche, Ford, GM, Tesla will transfer warranty; go forth and get your 35k CAD Mach E GT or 45k Taycan/Plaid.

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Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS (Post 9157062)

Lucid Air GT just popped up on my feed - $115k CAD

Is that going to be your next car? :troll:

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Originally Posted by bcrdukes (Post 9157127)

Is that going to be your next car? :troll:

No, I can't. Read your sig

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New posts by BIC_BAWS: I bought a new car...

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Originally Posted by bcrdukes (Post 9157129)

New posts by BIC_BAWS: I bought a new car...

Before that it'll be a post in Donk's past car thread LOL

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Originally Posted by Traum (Post 9156734)

Interesting to hear that you think of Honda engines this way.

I find the B and F series engines to be pretty meh when you are just doing normal driving. But as soon as VTEC kicks in (yo~), it's music to my ears even with just the stock exhaust.

K series, on the other hand... even with the K20Z3, I find the VTEC sound not too engaging. The intake noise is very distinct, but it isn't a good sounding kind of distinct -- it's just loud and distinct. But the K engine is super smooth and always feels solid.

[edit] I love the VQ35 stock noises too lol~ (at least in stock form) But somehow things went downhill with VQ37, and I just couldn't understand why. Shouldn't they be similar enough?!

Once saw some ratty old 350Z with a single muffler barely hanging on out back. Not sure what it looked like underneith in terms of how piping went into the single muffler instead of the regular two but I shit you not, this ratty old 350Z sounded like a budget Ferrari lol

Vq is the best sounding V6, do you even gtr? fight me :drunk:

$45k USD is a loooooooooooooooooooong way off saying "40k used" on a Canadian forum

New Jersey is also a looooooooong way off the west coast.

yah ban him!

His intellectual outlook on modern automobiles challenges my outdated and archaic sensibilities

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Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9157149)

New Jersey is also a looooooooong way off the west coast.

I'm tawkin' here!

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Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 9157151)

yah ban him!

His intellectual outlook on modern automobiles challenges my outdated and archaic sensibilities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtXzChUMU00

fuhgeddaboudit

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Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9157145)

$45k USD is a loooooooooooooooooooong way off saying "40k used" on a Canadian forum

Give it 12-18 months and they'll give you one at Walmart if you spend over 300

In the meantime, the Mach-E has better steering and interior plastics

:suspicious:

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Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 9157151)

yah ban him!

His intellectual outlook on modern automobiles challenges my outdated and archaic sensibilities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtXzChUMU00

I thought you were going to post this one!

Spoiler!

lolol

$55k USD is not $40K CAD lolol, its actually almost double at 78K CAD ... at 78K i migjt as well buy new...

78K CAD still can't buy you a new VW IDBuzz. What a joke that thing is.