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The other week, a friend of mine came over to visit in his Tesla and we went for a drive. He used self driving mode most of the time and at the end of the day, my conclusion was:
1. This is not a car for me (Telsa, or full electric.) I want to hear and feel the feedback of my vehicle, but this is from a car enthusiast perspective.
2. The overall experience was very dull. Boring ride and eerily quiet. Maybe because of its refinement. Of course, this is a very personal opinion.
3. I can see how an EV would be attractive to certain people. People like my siblings who don't care about about cars and treat them like appliances and don't even like driving. (We are mortal enemies from that perspective.)
You aren't the regular car user. What you listed as cons is a plus to at least half the people out there. I love how quiet the X5 is in EV mode, but being able to flip it to sport mode and fire up the "big" 6 cyl is nice though.
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Originally Posted by RabidRat
I think this is a missed opportunity in marketing EVs.
Let's say you didn't care about economy and reliability. A huge benefit of EV motors is the refinement. Gets rid of all the thrashy noises. Instant, girthy torque, flat all the way up.
The only thing you're missing at that point is the engine note of performance motors that some customers deliberately want to hear, but that's a specific market segment. Wouldn't most car buyers - luxury included - just want a silent drivetrain if they could have it?
Does an MDX buyer really specifically seek to hear their J35? I would think only the Type-S buyer would rather hear it so badly that they'd desire to give up the electric refinement. But really how many Type-S are even selling?
The MDX is a poor example though, the Type S doesn't even match up to the base X5 or GLE in teams of power, and for this class of car, power is all that matters if you are looking for performance. I haven't driven the base MDX, but I feel like it'll fall in the category of "the gas pedal is a volume control", press it more for more sound with minimal perceivable change in acceleration. Oh and it'll drain the gas tank faster too.
You aren't the regular car user. What you listed as cons is a plus to at least half the people out there. I love how quiet the X5 is in EV mode, but being able to flip it to sport mode and fire up the "big" 6 cyl is nice though.
He got a point tho - there are cues that drivers often rely on to not have to look at the screen all the time.
These are all things Tesla blows at but Porsche/Ford/BMW/Hyundai/GM have sorted:
- the motor noise changing when you're at speed so you know to let off the gas
- consistent warnings and behaviour for autodrive
- steering that tells you something about the road
- chassis with reasonable damping and feedback
- not forcing heavy regen braking (which isn't even efficient)
For the gas car crowd, a Mach E GT or Rally, Ioniq 5 N, Taycan, or i4 would scratch the itch under 40k used.
Ford/BMW/Porsche have very reasonable app, charging integration, etc.
Because I will legit buy one, not because I work for Hyundai, I actually really like the car.
The only reason it is not in my driveway =
- i buried myself in the model 3 (no way I am getting out ...ever llololol)
- i dont make enough money to be able to drop $95K on a car... doesnt matter which car
hahahaha
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I do not recommend the Model 3 Performance, ZDX Type S, or Plaid.
Once you put something wider than 235 (Civic SI width and OE Tesla) like 265 PS4S on the Model 3 Perf, you get only 300km range.
Charges less than half as fast as Taycan and Ioniq, like 45 minutes 10-90.
Interesting to hear that you think of Honda engines this way.
I find the B and F series engines to be pretty meh when you are just doing normal driving. But as soon as VTEC kicks in (yo~), it's music to my ears even with just the stock exhaust.
K series, on the other hand... even with the K20Z3, I find the VTEC sound not too engaging. The intake noise is very distinct, but it isn't a good sounding kind of distinct -- it's just loud and distinct. But the K engine is super smooth and always feels solid.
[edit] I love the VQ35 stock noises too lol~ (at least in stock form) But somehow things went downhill with VQ37, and I just couldn't understand why. Shouldn't they be similar enough?!
Once saw some ratty old 350Z with a single muffler barely hanging on out back. Not sure what it looked like underneith in terms of how piping went into the single muffler instead of the regular two but I shit you not, this ratty old 350Z sounded like a budget Ferrari lol
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