Originally Posted by Badhobz (Post 9161030)

Here's an insane idea!!!

get rid of the s2k, and the A4, and then get a Porsche GT4 and you can do everything without requiring a "delivery" truck.

Originally Posted by 68style (Post 9161035)

Look who's king of the PP now... Porsche pushers

Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9161037)

Here's an even more insane idea. How about not spend $60000 on a depreciating asset, sell your town house, buy a detached or townhouse or duplex with a proper garage, then you can charge at home, have storage for even more cars, more race car parts, then buy a full EV and save the environment even more, and possibly have basement to rent out for even more $ for car activities :accepted:

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS (Post 9161015)

@AstulzerRZD can you pls do the math?

Edit: I'm finding it hard to find the electric/hybrid cost savings.

Originally Posted by roastpuff (Post 9161010)

Yeah, but at $1500+ a pop that's a hard pill to swallow. I'm going to have to figure out if I can get rentals of full size SUV or trucks for cheap like what RZD mentioned.

Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9161045)

Where is it $1500? A 1 ton from Enterprise Trucks for 4 days with 800km and towing included is $356 + $0.20/km extra.

And if you don't need to tow you can buy a Macan for less than the Cayenne and the rentals are free anyways.

Originally Posted by roastpuff (Post 9160971)

That's definitely an option too...

An example trip would be to Oregon Raceway Park, I would not like to drive the S2000 down and would like to be able to carry supplies/spares etc.

I checked the local Enterprise truck rental, $400+tax for a 4-day rental, call it $200 for extra mileage (they give 200km per day, roughly 1500km for total trip given the running around to pick up trailer etc) and then another $450 + tax for U-Haul trailer rental. Plus gas etc... so that adds up to $1200 for the towing rental. That makes the track day far more expensive.

:pokerface:

Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9161037)

Here's an even more insane idea. How about not spend $60000 on a depreciating asset, sell your town house, buy a detached or townhouse or duplex with a proper garage, then you can charge at home, have storage for even more cars, more race car parts, then buy a full EV and save the environment even more, and possibly have basement to rent out for even more $ for car activities :accepted:

Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9161051)

Wouldn't you need to rent a trailer either way? Even with the rear seats down I don't think an S2000 fits into the trunk of a Cayenne.

edit: I missed the longer distance, for some reason I thought you said it was 600km to the track. Even with the added mileage the truck should be ~$500.

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS (Post 9161015)

I have a wild idea.. that is definitely not environmentally friendly.. but the value prop is in the savings

2025 Cayenne E-Hybrid ranges from 150K -160K per AutoTrader. A 2021/2020 goes for around 60-70K.

An X5 35d goes for around $30K. According to fuelly, it ~ 9L/100km. Diesel and premium gas (91) prices are more or less the same (within a 10c var). Without doing the math, you'd save on the actual purchase cost of the vehicle (~30-40K) and per tank cost (~8L/100km).

@AstulzerRZD can you pls do the math?

Edit: I'm finding it hard to find the electric/hybrid cost savings.

I did my own math. $4113 for 24, 713 km = $0.16/km ... on my CTR.

Originally Posted by roastpuff (Post 9161010)

Let's cap it around 60k? Honestly I might try to convince her with a gas Cayenne or X5, that kind of opens up a lot more options. Good to know about the X5. We want kids, and I have pointed out that she needs to drive more, but she keeps saying "next time." Old argument that I don't care to bring up right now.

Yeah, but at $1500+ a pop that's a hard pill to swallow. I'm going to have to figure out if I can get rentals of full size SUV or trucks for cheap like what RZD mentioned.

EDIT: I have driven the Cayenne, but not a recent X5. Cayenne has that Porsche magic to it, which is nuts in a SUV.

Originally Posted by roastpuff (Post 9161018)

Diesel comes with its own pile of problems - the first thing you'd want to do is delete the emissions equipment and do a tune. Also they do not like short trips as they take a long time to warm up. My commute is 15km one way.

Not to mention the uphill fight I'm going to have with her regarding diesel "pollution" and "not hybrid", as well as the difference in interior from a 2018 X5 (I think that's the latest diesel) to a G05 one.

EDIT: Oh forgot, her assertion that X5 is "too large"

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 9161044)

Consumption numbers:

EV:5km/km
EV SUV or Truck: 3km/kwh
PHEV SUV: 1.5km/kwh

EV truck tow 9000lb at highway speed is like 1.6-7km/kwh
PHEV SUV are so inefficient they use more energy than this.

Fuel cost per kWh:
Home: 15c
Public PHEV charging (older 3kw model):60c
Public PHEV charging (7kw): 30c
Public EV fast charging (Vancouver): 25-35c
Public EV fast charging (USA): 55c

Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9161061)

How much does a trailer and insurance cost? Can't you just buy one and dump it somewhere on the street since there's insurance?

Originally Posted by EvoFire (Post 9161062)

The diesels are getting to the age where they are starting to show a lot of problems. I'd shy away from a BMW diesel that's older than 6 years.


I've actually never driven a regular X5, only the PHEV. Ditto the Cayenne. The Cayenne ehybrid brake pedal is super weird and will take some getting used to.

BMW did a much better job with the blended brake pedal, but then they also only got it to feel more natural because there's actually no crossover. The moment you are on the brakes you are partially on the friction brakes, there is never a crossover from pure regen to friction brakes when on the brake pedal. Also adds to the inefficiency of the BMW PHEV.

BMW drivetrain calibration is also ahead of Porsche, but the body control and steering is better on the Cayenne. Hence why as a daily, the BMW PHEV is a better driver, but a pure gasser the Cayenne all the way. That's if you can stomach the price.

You will be finding it hard to land a X5 45e even with 60k unless it's got more than 60k mileage on it, probably more. You can forget about the Cayenne. The closest I think I saw the X5 45e was a 2021 with 40k on it in the summer for 67k. Premium Enhanced, Msport.

The lowest mileage one was a Premium essential 2022 and nothing else, 18k mileage asking for 71k.


She's not driving it, I'd would ignore her lol. Dont' come to me when you guys have a fight lol



RZD has got it right there with the numbers

Originally Posted by underscore (Post 9161065)

Ah it was the dates. When I put those in it's the same price. Fuel probably isn't great either way, anything is going to suck more of it when there's 5k behind it.

Really it's a moot point if you like the Cayenne, I'm just saying if there's something else you like better I wouldn't pass up on it just for more towing capacity when you only need it 2-3x a year. Just knock a bit off your purchasing budget and set that aside for the tow rental.

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD (Post 9161079)

I swear if u just put some green badges on a gas variant you’d be fine

Even the 40i has regen and battery recharge indicators for the mild hybrid now

Originally Posted by roastpuff (Post 9161078)

Depending on how bougie you go, anywhere from 7-8k (regular aluminium trailer) to 20+k for the ultralight trailers. Insurance isn't all that much.


Funnily enough there's a 2019 Cayenne E-Hybrid locally...

2019 Porsche Cayenne Great Condition/Premium Plus/HUD/Soft Close/21" Ae...

I told her if she drove she'd get a bigger say and I got the side eye. I'm going to have watch out in my sleep tonight.



If I can get the hybrid requirement out of the way there's a lot more options, it's what I'm trying to do lol.

Originally Posted by JDMDreams (Post 9161061)

Can't you just buy one and dump it somewhere on the street since there's insurance?

Originally Posted by EvoFire (Post 9161088)

The 2019 is worthless as a PHEV

"The E-Hybrid's 14.1-kWh lithium-ion battery is a modest pack of electrons good for 18 miles of electric-only range in our testing."

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/porsche/...0818190739796/

You can save 5k after tax and get a regular S and have a better experience.