Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[68style]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Here's an insane idea!!!

get rid of the s2k, and the A4, and then get a Porsche GT4 and you can do everything without requiring a "delivery" truck.

Look who's king of the PP now... Porsche pushers

[JDMDreams]

Here's an even more insane idea. How about not spend $60000 on a depreciating asset, sell your town house, buy a detached or townhouse or duplex with a proper garage, then you can charge at home, have storage for even more cars, more race car parts, then buy a full EV and save the environment even more, and possibly have basement to rent out for even more $ for car activities

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by 68style

Look who's king of the PP now... Porsche pushers

I think that shanghainese bitch did something to me...

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Originally Posted by JDMDreams

Here's an even more insane idea. How about not spend $60000 on a depreciating asset, sell your town house, buy a detached or townhouse or duplex with a proper garage, then you can charge at home, have storage for even more cars, more race car parts, then buy a full EV and save the environment even more, and possibly have basement to rent out for even more $ for car activities

did you talk to a "mentor" today or something? you keep this up and you're gonna get banned with charlesInCharge

[JDMDreams]

Modern problems requires modern solutions at least I didn't recommend a beetle vw

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

@AstulzerRZD can you pls do the math?

Edit: I'm finding it hard to find the electric/hybrid cost savings.

Consumption numbers:

EV:5km/km
EV SUV or Truck: 3km/kwh
PHEV SUV: 1.5km/kwh

EV truck tow 9000lb at highway speed is like 1.6-7km/kwh
PHEV SUV are so inefficient they use more energy than this.

Fuel cost per kWh:
Home: 15c
Public PHEV charging (older 3kw model):60c
Public PHEV charging (7kw): 30c
Public EV fast charging (Vancouver): 25-35c
Public EV fast charging (USA): 55c

[underscore]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

Yeah, but at $1500+ a pop that's a hard pill to swallow. I'm going to have to figure out if I can get rentals of full size SUV or trucks for cheap like what RZD mentioned.

Where is it $1500? A 1 ton from Enterprise Trucks for 4 days with 800km and towing included is $356 + $0.20/km extra.

And if you don't need to tow you can buy a Macan for less than the Cayenne and the rentals are free anyways.

[AstulzerRZD]

+ trailer rental

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by underscore

Where is it $1500? A 1 ton from Enterprise Trucks for 4 days with 800km and towing included is $356 + $0.20/km extra.

And if you don't need to tow you can buy a Macan for less than the Cayenne and the rentals are free anyways.

See my math a few posts back

Originally Posted by roastpuff

That's definitely an option too...

An example trip would be to Oregon Raceway Park, I would not like to drive the S2000 down and would like to be able to carry supplies/spares etc.

I checked the local Enterprise truck rental, $400+tax for a 4-day rental, call it $200 for extra mileage (they give 200km per day, roughly 1500km for total trip given the running around to pick up trailer etc) and then another $450 + tax for U-Haul trailer rental. Plus gas etc... so that adds up to $1200 for the towing rental. That makes the track day far more expensive.

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

Here's an even more insane idea. How about not spend $60000 on a depreciating asset, sell your town house, buy a detached or townhouse or duplex with a proper garage, then you can charge at home, have storage for even more cars, more race car parts, then buy a full EV and save the environment even more, and possibly have basement to rent out for even more $ for car activities

Yes let me convince my wife to spend 1,600k instead of 60k

[underscore]

Wouldn't you need to rent a trailer either way? Even with the rear seats down I don't think an S2000 fits into the trunk of a Cayenne.

edit: I missed the longer distance, for some reason I thought you said it was 600km to the track. Even with the added mileage the truck should be ~$500.

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by underscore

Wouldn't you need to rent a trailer either way? Even with the rear seats down I don't think an S2000 fits into the trunk of a Cayenne.

edit: I missed the longer distance, for some reason I thought you said it was 600km to the track. Even with the added mileage the truck should be ~$500.

Trailer doesn’t get hit by extra mileage fees or fuel costs.

Edit: I was told fuel costs would be higher than my estimate. 10mpg :|

I got 82$ per day plus fees and taxes for Enterprise for a 3/4ton

[underscore]

But you're still paying for gas and $450 to rent the trailer if you tow it with your own vehicle.

edit: wtf why are they giving us different rates? For me it's a lot less. I picked the Surrey location at random cause idk where you live.

[roastpuff]

Regarding personal vehicle, yes still paying trailer rental (hope to eventually get my own) but at least fuel is a bit better than 10MPG. Hopefully.

Yeah wtf? I chose Burnaby, and the dates that I am looking at is Apr 19-22 as the 20/21 is the actual track days.

[JDMDreams]

How much does a trailer and insurance cost? Can't you just buy one and dump it somewhere on the street since there's insurance?

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by BIC_BAWS

I have a wild idea.. that is definitely not environmentally friendly.. but the value prop is in the savings

2025 Cayenne E-Hybrid ranges from 150K -160K per AutoTrader. A 2021/2020 goes for around 60-70K.

An X5 35d goes for around $30K. According to fuelly, it ~ 9L/100km. Diesel and premium gas (91) prices are more or less the same (within a 10c var). Without doing the math, you'd save on the actual purchase cost of the vehicle (~30-40K) and per tank cost (~8L/100km).

@AstulzerRZD can you pls do the math?

Edit: I'm finding it hard to find the electric/hybrid cost savings.

I did my own math. $4113 for 24, 713 km = $0.16/km ... on my CTR.

The diesels are getting to the age where they are starting to show a lot of problems. I'd shy away from a BMW diesel that's older than 6 years.

Originally Posted by roastpuff

Let's cap it around 60k? Honestly I might try to convince her with a gas Cayenne or X5, that kind of opens up a lot more options. Good to know about the X5. We want kids, and I have pointed out that she needs to drive more, but she keeps saying "next time." Old argument that I don't care to bring up right now.

Yeah, but at $1500+ a pop that's a hard pill to swallow. I'm going to have to figure out if I can get rentals of full size SUV or trucks for cheap like what RZD mentioned.

EDIT: I have driven the Cayenne, but not a recent X5. Cayenne has that Porsche magic to it, which is nuts in a SUV.

Originally Posted by roastpuff

Diesel comes with its own pile of problems - the first thing you'd want to do is delete the emissions equipment and do a tune. Also they do not like short trips as they take a long time to warm up. My commute is 15km one way.

Not to mention the uphill fight I'm going to have with her regarding diesel "pollution" and "not hybrid", as well as the difference in interior from a 2018 X5 (I think that's the latest diesel) to a G05 one.

EDIT: Oh forgot, her assertion that X5 is "too large"

I've actually never driven a regular X5, only the PHEV. Ditto the Cayenne. The Cayenne ehybrid brake pedal is super weird and will take some getting used to.

BMW did a much better job with the blended brake pedal, but then they also only got it to feel more natural because there's actually no crossover. The moment you are on the brakes you are partially on the friction brakes, there is never a crossover from pure regen to friction brakes when on the brake pedal. Also adds to the inefficiency of the BMW PHEV.

BMW drivetrain calibration is also ahead of Porsche, but the body control and steering is better on the Cayenne. Hence why as a daily, the BMW PHEV is a better driver, but a pure gasser the Cayenne all the way. That's if you can stomach the price.

You will be finding it hard to land a X5 45e even with 60k unless it's got more than 60k mileage on it, probably more. You can forget about the Cayenne. The closest I think I saw the X5 45e was a 2021 with 40k on it in the summer for 67k. Premium Enhanced, Msport.

The lowest mileage one was a Premium essential 2022 and nothing else, 18k mileage asking for 71k.


She's not driving it, I'd would ignore her lol. Dont' come to me when you guys have a fight lol

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

Consumption numbers:

EV:5km/km
EV SUV or Truck: 3km/kwh
PHEV SUV: 1.5km/kwh

EV truck tow 9000lb at highway speed is like 1.6-7km/kwh
PHEV SUV are so inefficient they use more energy than this.

Fuel cost per kWh:
Home: 15c
Public PHEV charging (older 3kw model):60c
Public PHEV charging (7kw): 30c
Public EV fast charging (Vancouver): 25-35c
Public EV fast charging (USA): 55c

RZD has got it right there with the numbers

[underscore]

Ah it was the dates. When I put those in it's the same price. Fuel probably isn't great either way, anything is going to suck more of it when there's 5k behind it.

Really it's a moot point if you like the Cayenne, I'm just saying if there's something else you like better I wouldn't pass up on it just for more towing capacity when you only need it 2-3x a year. Just knock a bit off your purchasing budget and set that aside for the tow rental.

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

How much does a trailer and insurance cost? Can't you just buy one and dump it somewhere on the street since there's insurance?

Depending on how bougie you go, anywhere from 7-8k (regular aluminium trailer) to 20+k for the ultralight trailers. Insurance isn't all that much.

Originally Posted by EvoFire

The diesels are getting to the age where they are starting to show a lot of problems. I'd shy away from a BMW diesel that's older than 6 years.


I've actually never driven a regular X5, only the PHEV. Ditto the Cayenne. The Cayenne ehybrid brake pedal is super weird and will take some getting used to.

BMW did a much better job with the blended brake pedal, but then they also only got it to feel more natural because there's actually no crossover. The moment you are on the brakes you are partially on the friction brakes, there is never a crossover from pure regen to friction brakes when on the brake pedal. Also adds to the inefficiency of the BMW PHEV.

BMW drivetrain calibration is also ahead of Porsche, but the body control and steering is better on the Cayenne. Hence why as a daily, the BMW PHEV is a better driver, but a pure gasser the Cayenne all the way. That's if you can stomach the price.

You will be finding it hard to land a X5 45e even with 60k unless it's got more than 60k mileage on it, probably more. You can forget about the Cayenne. The closest I think I saw the X5 45e was a 2021 with 40k on it in the summer for 67k. Premium Enhanced, Msport.

The lowest mileage one was a Premium essential 2022 and nothing else, 18k mileage asking for 71k.


She's not driving it, I'd would ignore her lol. Dont' come to me when you guys have a fight lol



RZD has got it right there with the numbers

Funnily enough there's a 2019 Cayenne E-Hybrid locally...

2019 Porsche Cayenne Great Condition/Premium Plus/HUD/Soft Close/21" Ae...

I told her if she drove she'd get a bigger say and I got the side eye. I'm going to have watch out in my sleep tonight.

Originally Posted by underscore

Ah it was the dates. When I put those in it's the same price. Fuel probably isn't great either way, anything is going to suck more of it when there's 5k behind it.

Really it's a moot point if you like the Cayenne, I'm just saying if there's something else you like better I wouldn't pass up on it just for more towing capacity when you only need it 2-3x a year. Just knock a bit off your purchasing budget and set that aside for the tow rental.

If I can get the hybrid requirement out of the way there's a lot more options, it's what I'm trying to do lol.

[AstulzerRZD]

I swear if u just put some green badges on a gas variant you’d be fine

Even the 40i has regen and battery recharge indicators for the mild hybrid now

[JDMDreams]

So which years is the safe years to get the hybrid beetles? I was tempted by a panamera hybrid or cayenne hybrid so you can get hov. Be a troll and get a slight smaller looking cayenne coupe.

[underscore]

Originally Posted by AstulzerRZD

I swear if u just put some green badges on a gas variant you’d be fine

Even the 40i has regen and battery recharge indicators for the mild hybrid now

$340 for a full set of OE Porsche Hybrid badges

https://www.pelicanparts.com/cat/v_p...bdyext_emblems

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

Depending on how bougie you go, anywhere from 7-8k (regular aluminium trailer) to 20+k for the ultralight trailers. Insurance isn't all that much.


Funnily enough there's a 2019 Cayenne E-Hybrid locally...

2019 Porsche Cayenne Great Condition/Premium Plus/HUD/Soft Close/21" Ae...

I told her if she drove she'd get a bigger say and I got the side eye. I'm going to have watch out in my sleep tonight.



If I can get the hybrid requirement out of the way there's a lot more options, it's what I'm trying to do lol.

The 2019 is worthless as a PHEV

"The E-Hybrid's 14.1-kWh lithium-ion battery is a modest pack of electrons good for 18 miles of electric-only range in our testing."

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/porsche/...0818190739796/

You can save 5k after tax and get a regular S and have a better experience.

[BIC_BAWS]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

Can't you just buy one and dump it somewhere on the street since there's insurance?

No you can't actually. Not sure about Roastpuff's muni. bylaws, but in Richmond my ex-boss got ticketed several times LMFAO. Also, high chance it gets stolen, even with a wheel lock etc.

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[EvoFire]

You cannot just leave a trailer anywhere in any of the munis. There's a limit of 3 days iirc for residential streets.

@roastpuff - I have a hybrid synergy badge if you need it

It almost feels like it's yolo time. Go find a X5 M50 with a hitch, pick it up and just enjoy it. It's very likely the next gen X5 won't come in V8 other than a full fat X5M, and that's going to be approaching 200k after tax. The current M5C is something like 140-160 already.

Stick the hybrid synergy drive badge on it and your wife won't know any better. The noises it makes? It's fake engine noise.

Or the equivalent of that Cayenne
https://www.autotrader.ca/a/bmw/x5/v...0461711534706/
It's 40k for a X5 on the lower end.

[TypeRNammer]

https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-y/...l-izev-rebate/

Tesla raised the price for the current Model Y by $1,000

Therefore all Model Y's do not qualify for the federal rebate

[AstulzerRZD]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

The 2019 is worthless as a PHEV

"The E-Hybrid's 14.1-kWh lithium-ion battery is a modest pack of electrons good for 18 miles of electric-only range in our testing."

https://www.autotrader.ca/a/porsche/...0818190739796/

You can save 5k after tax and get a regular S and have a better experience.

The 18 miles is fine but 3kw recharge makes it useless

My 4XE Jeep rental was also rated for 18 miles and I got 5L/100km .. even with knobby mud terrains.

7kw charging was key - 2 hrs at gym, eating at home, and at work would get me a full battery.

[JDMDreams]

Yea but the things is even when you run out of full EV, I think the hybrid system will still get you way better mpg than just gas