Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[bcrdukes]

Given how PCA even made a video out of the Gen 1 Macan, I wonder if Porsche borrowed Mini/BMW's playbook and decided, "Yes, we will make the owners pull the entire front end of for servicing, and call it Service Mode." Bunch of masochists!

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

I know you are mostly being sarcastic, but going RX -> X5 -> Cayenne is a big difference.

I've driven a 2GR RX quite a bit, I think one gen older than yours. I simply cannot with that suspension. Maybe for a 65 yr old it's good but the crashing and wallowing is unacceptable. I have yet to drive one of the new F Sport ones, they are supposed to be better.

The X5 doesn't have the best body control and rolls a little too much, but having driven a F15 diesel and my G05 PHEV, the G05 improved a lot on steering. It's a big step up from the RX for roughly the same money. All the of the engine offerings on the X5 are world class right now. In the last gen a big up on the RX was it had a 3rd row, which is a TX now.

The Cayenne is on another level. I get you, why do you need a sports car to go to the mall, but if you can why not? Even my wife can feel a difference and says the Cayenne drives well. Just not 30% in MSRP more for her.

All 3 are offered with PHEV now, with the RX having the strongest electric portion, X5 having the strongest engine, and Cayenne splitting the middle. But if you get a pure gasser, the RX is completely out of contention except maybe for price. The X5 is pretty damn good now in terms of reliability, I don't know about the Cayenne. That platform has always bee questionable but it didn't stop me from shopping it.

WHAT!?

no fucking way she can tell the difference okay. her Shanghainese brain will only allow her to process this: More expensive equals better. THATS IT. German > Japanese. THAT'S IT.. everything else is a figment of her imagination unless she has a car hobby like us schmucks and knows what an LSD is, the average asian woman knows JACK FUCK TITS ALL about cars.

And if you want to take your sports car to the mall, then take your sports car to the mall. In no world can I ever imagine a dumb ass SUV can do everything (aka Tesla model X plaid). its just not the same, pick a mission for the daily and make sure it does that INSANELY well. In my case, comfortable, reliable and idiot proof so my wife doesn't bitch at me.

X5 drives better than RX. yes it does, a fucking shoe box with 4 wheels probably drives better than the RX. But does that matter as a daily driver? you want PLUSH COMFORT and ultra-reliability. Especially if yerr woman drives it.

The RX you drove (prior to mine? 3rd gen I take it, aka my dads 400h bodystyle) was absolutely garbage for body control. You take a turn and you feel like you'll flip over and die. My wife 4th gen RX does a better job at this so at least you don't feel like you'll die but honestly who cares. its an SUV.

Your x5 makes more sense than your average macan / cayenne buyer who purely buys it on badge merit alone. At least you can pretend to say you're saving gas with the PHEV (unless that battery goes, and then your shit out of luck)

[bcrdukes]

The fact that she hasn't come out to a stock and noob meet means she is not a car nerd.

[Badhobz]

Just ask yourself this. If you took the BMW/Porsche badges off and slapped a KIA badge on, would she still buy it? WOULD SHE?!?!?!

my wife wouldn't fucking even consider it because of that shit.

Those KIA's drive a crapton better nowadays than my RX I'm sure.

[headhunt3r]

Dark in shambles

[radeonboy]

Chiming in on the X5/4th gen RX (and Kia) based on my mom's POV as she has experience with all of them. She was a die-hard Toyota/Lexus buyer until recently when EVs started shifting her preferences.

4th Gen RX - This is her go-to car when in town. She likes its comfort, solid build (no squeaks, leather + soft surfaces), easy entry/exit, and reliability. True to Lexus form, it’s been problem-free for the 7 years we’ve had it.

G05 X5 - We rented these for road trips last year and she loved it as a passenger. It had more space, comfier seats (with the comfort package), and a smoother engine. She liked the "BMW" appeal but was wary of the high ownership costs, but also believes one with an EV powertrain will address her reliability concerns. It's likely a BMW EV will be on her radar in the future.

KIA Soul EV - Her immediate reaction, when she saw the car for the 1st time at the airport, was: "I don't trust Korean metal, it's no good", followed by a hint of embarrassment and asking if I was in financial trouble. It wasn't until she saw my Steroid Camry that she felt more at ease. She did eventually warm up to the KIA after learning how good it was at gobbling all her garden center and Costco hauls.

[dark0821]

Hahahahahaa I know what I sell, its fine, Badhobz was never our demographic anyways LOLOL....and honestly most of the RS is not our demographic... I honestly think I will do better at BMW if I was after the RS members lolol....

(then watch my sales go thru the roof if I start a Porsche) lolol, I expect each and every one of you buys a 911 off me at some point lmao....

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

WHAT!?

no fucking way she can tell the difference okay. her Shanghainese brain will only allow her to process this: More expensive equals better. THATS IT. German > Japanese. THAT'S IT.. everything else is a figment of her imagination unless she has a car hobby like us schmucks and knows what an LSD is, the average asian woman knows JACK FUCK TITS ALL about cars.

And if you want to take your sports car to the mall, then take your sports car to the mall. In no world can I ever imagine a dumb ass SUV can do everything (aka Tesla model X plaid). its just not the same, pick a mission for the daily and make sure it does that INSANELY well. In my case, comfortable, reliable and idiot proof so my wife doesn't bitch at me.

X5 drives better than RX. yes it does, a fucking shoe box with 4 wheels probably drives better than the RX. But does that matter as a daily driver? you want PLUSH COMFORT and ultra-reliability. Especially if yerr woman drives it.

The RX you drove (prior to mine? 3rd gen I take it, aka my dads 400h bodystyle) was absolutely garbage for body control. You take a turn and you feel like you'll flip over and die. My wife 4th gen RX does a better job at this so at least you don't feel like you'll die but honestly who cares. its an SUV.

Your x5 makes more sense than your average macan / cayenne buyer who purely buys it on badge merit alone. At least you can pretend to say you're saving gas with the PHEV (unless that battery goes, and then your shit out of luck)

Oh she could, she has what it takes just doesn't care most of the time. But if we are paying money and she had to choose, she would choose the better driving one.

Every time we've test drove a MB she's walked away and said no. Steering wheel feels bad she said. We are at a point where I didn't even bother looking at GLE when I was shopping for the new SUV. She knows what steering feel is and what is a more progressive brake pedal and I'm proud of her for that. She just can't really put it into the correct terms we use. We've also test drove the Cayenne PHEV and she complained about the brakes because it wasn't progressive, with the regen causing it to have effectively a two stage brake pedal with poor feel.

She likes the idea of a Lexus, but other than the 3G IS, every time we've drove one she's come away disappointed. I should drag her out and have her drive your LC. She might tell you it sucks

Audi kind of falls in the meh whatever it's fine bucket.

She thinks Porsches are too expensive and the slight increase in refinement and engineering for a 30-40% increase it price isn't worth it for her. Nor does she like the idea of banging doors in a 150k vehicle.

So really that leaves us in BMWs, and that's why it's her third one, technically. (I count our Mini as BMW)

[Badhobz]

I get it. The bmw driving signature is addictive. My wife used to only drive bmws and it took a long time to convince her to drive a Lexus. Even her RX I didn’t consult her about anything. I just came home and told her surprise I bought you a car.

She was furious. But whatever, what is she gonna do ?

Now that she’s used to it, she doesn’t want anything else.

I was trying to buy her something more hilarious like an LX or a G wagon but I think that might be really excessive considering she already has problems parking the RX. But I laugh imagining a midget driving a G wagon that she needs a step ladder to get in. Not as funny as murano cross cab..

I’m just saying the RX can survive her shitty ownership it can survive anything. She already had 100k on the RX and it’s a 2018. Not like she goes to work so where the hell does the KMs come from ?! I don’t wanna imagine how the ownership would be for a 100,000km bmw.

That’s what makes these Lexus such a good daily crap mobile for the wives. If it can survive their ownership it can survive anything

[Hondaracer]

Yea.. as a man you have to face stepping out of the RX each time though and the soul crushing that comes with that lol

[JDMDreams]

I'm sort of tempted to get a used g55 or g63. Apparently they are pretty compact given how boxy they are. Ultimate mall crawler that can actually off road. But I don't think it will be very comfortable to daily and the mpgs

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I'm sort of tempted to get a used g55 or g63. Apparently they are pretty compact given how boxy they are. Ultimate mall crawler that can actually off road. But I don't think it will be very comfortable to daily and the mpgs

Of everyone I've talked to who've owned one, 100% of the surveyed sample said it's a TERRIBLE car to live with. It looks great but drives like absolute shit, super sensitive to cross winds, bouncy, doesn't turn worth shit (turning circle), drinks gas like a cow drinks water

[RabidRat]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

And if you want to take your sports car to the mall, then take your sports car to the mall. In no world can I ever imagine a dumb ass SUV can do everything (aka Tesla model X plaid). its just not the same, pick a mission for the daily and make sure it does that INSANELY well. In my case, comfortable, reliable and idiot proof so my wife doesn't bitch at me.

X5 drives better than RX. yes it does, a fucking shoe box with 4 wheels probably drives better than the RX. But does that matter as a daily driver? you want PLUSH COMFORT and ultra-reliability. Especially if yerr woman drives it.

I used to assume it would be the same for my wife, a total non-enthusiast. Like I never thought she'd give a shit about body control, torque curve, steering feel and all that.

Turns out she does actually care, but for the predictability. She basically likes it to be like a video game where the inputs are super obvious and immediate. She hates a mushy pedal or vague steering because it actually confuses her lol.

She'd previously only ever really driven her parents' Toyota Camry, which she said was frustrating. That was surprising to me because I would've figured that was the most basic possible appliance car, so of course it should be easy to drive.

In contrast, our BMW [i3] has been a great experience for her, for sort of enthusiast reasons. The throttle is linear, and being an EV it is drawing from a limitless well of torque - more throttle more go, and never even a pause from a downshift. The brakes are tight, and brain-dead simple to modulate. The steering is super tight ratio and takes the car right where you point it. And the suspension is adequately forgiving while being stiff enough that there isn't that body jiggle that usually comes with a super plush ride. It "just works": from controls to motion, it's entirely straightforward and predictable.

Though for passengers, I can totally see where there's no beating a Lexus.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

I used to assume it would be the same for my wife, a total non-enthusiast. Like I never thought she'd give a shit about body control, torque curve, steering feel and all that.

Turns out she does actually care, but for the predictability. She basically likes it to be like a video game where the inputs are super obvious and immediate. She hates a mushy pedal or vague steering because it actually confuses her lol.

She'd previously only ever really driven her parents' Toyota Camry, which she said was frustrating. That was surprising to me because I would've figured that was the most basic possible appliance car, so of course it should be easy to drive.

In contrast, our BMW [i3] has been a great experience for her, for sort of enthusiast reasons. The throttle is linear, and being an EV it is drawing from a limitless well of torque. The brakes are tight, and brain-dead simple to modulate. The steering is super tight ratio and takes the car right where you point it. And the suspension is adequately forgiving while being stiff enough that there isn't that body jiggle that usually comes with a super plush ride. It "just works": from controls to motion, it's entirely straightforward and predictable.

Though for passengers, I can totally see where there's no beating a Lexus.

^ Put it in better words than me. Body control is surprisingly a HUGE one with my wife. If the car has poor body control she gets car sick. Part of it is also on the driver. I'm decent enough with the throttle and brakes she's rarely car sick with me, but there are a few friends who she would not sit with.

[Badhobz]

yeah but modern day cars all pretty much drive the same. The difference between the latest RX / X5 / GLE is negligible. Considering that half the suppliers are shared between the automakers, no wonder everything is so generic.

Same ZF gear box on the x5/GLE/Range rover. The rack I'm sure is from some supplier as well.

I've tried to get her a new SUV. I had her sit and drive the X3/X5/Range Rover/GLE and nothing appealed to her. She liked how her old RX handles (predictable like you said rat) and its something she doesn't need to think about to operate.

I guess ill have to drop a random mid sized luxury SUV into her life sooner or later because I don't want her to miss out on some modern safety features. Although I don't think we are missing out on that much considering her RX is only 2018 and it already has a lot of autonomous braking, collision detection, cross traffic alerts, etc. But at 100,000km it could use a refresh.

Was thinking the new GX but body on frame and even higher might make her scared. Also at those prices, I might as well spring for the LX and get that insane rear seat executive edition.

[EvoFire]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

yeah but modern day cars all pretty much drive the same. The difference between the latest RX / X5 / GLE is negligible. Considering that half the suppliers are shared between the automakers, no wonder everything is so generic.

Same ZF gear box on the x5/GLE/Range rover. The rack I'm sure is from some supplier as well.

I've tried to get her a new SUV. I had her sit and drive the X3/X5/Range Rover/GLE and nothing appealed to her. She liked how her old RX handles (predictable like you said rat) and its something she doesn't need to think about to operate.

I guess ill have to drop a random mid sized luxury SUV into her life sooner or later because I don't want her to miss out on some modern safety features. Although I don't think we are missing out on that much considering her RX is only 2018 and it already has a lot of autonomous braking, collision detection, cross traffic alerts, etc. But at 100,000km it could use a refresh.

Was thinking the new GX but body on frame and even higher might make her scared. Also at those prices, I might as well spring for the LX and get that insane rear seat executive edition.

How are you guys at 100k?

Our X3 we bought new in 2019 had 45k when we traded it in July, and we got two kids to shuttle around!

[RabidRat]

Hey Hobz, does she have the hybrid V6 in her RX?

I recently picked up a Highlander with the hybrid 2GR for an interim family beater, and it's getting an abysmal 13L/100km: is it supposed to be like that just because it's cold out, or is something broken??

[JDMDreams]

None hybrid 2gr AWD is averaging 12.17l/100km

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by RabidRat

Hey Hobz, does she have the hybrid V6 in her RX?

I recently picked up a Highlander with the hybrid 2GR for an interim family beater, and it's getting an abysmal 13L/100km: is it supposed to be like that just because it's cold out, or is something broken??

Pretty sure it’s broken dude. She’s getting 13/100 on her non hybrid v6.

With the hybrid you should be in the 7-8/100km. It could be the battery pack on that hybrid is dying. How many KMs on that highlander ? What year ? Because even my dads 400h is getting 9-10/100

[Badhobz]

Originally Posted by EvoFire

How are you guys at 100k?

Our X3 we bought new in 2019 had 45k when we traded it in July, and we got two kids to shuttle around!

I don’t fucking know. I think she secretly drives uber at night or something.

She goes to her dads, who lives in UBC area, quite often and then they gotta come back to Richmond to eat and then she drives them back home. So I guess these trips add up. Huge KMs for a lousy housewife

[Klobbersaurus]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

None hybrid 2gr AWD is averaging 12.17l/100km

i average 7.9 but my driving is mostly highway, im sure if i was in the city, it would be closer to 6, my prius was 4.3

[red kryptonite]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

I'm sort of tempted to get a used g55 or g63. Apparently they are pretty compact given how boxy they are. Ultimate mall crawler that can actually off road. But I don't think it will be very comfortable to daily and the mpgs

Originally Posted by EvoFire

Of everyone I've talked to who've owned one, 100% of the surveyed sample said it's a TERRIBLE car to live with. It looks great but drives like absolute shit, super sensitive to cross winds, bouncy, doesn't turn worth shit (turning circle), drinks gas like a cow drinks water

lol becuz G-turn!!! i hate g wagons, they're gaudy.
ive learned from the tundra that a bad turning radius is a bitch to live with everyday. the 3rd gen is worst than the 2nd gens, and worst in class compared to other brands.
just curious, what are you real world mpg with the plug in hybrid?
my real world mpg with engine warm up and 90% city 10% highway is 23.3L/100km i guess it could be worst

Originally Posted by EvoFire

How are you guys at 100k?

Our X3 we bought new in 2019 had 45k when we traded it in July, and we got two kids to shuttle around!

they like the drive?? didnt hobz put a ridiculous amount on his gti in its first week or month?!

[sonick]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

None hybrid 2gr AWD is averaging 12.17l/100km

I get about the same in my 2010 V6 RAV4

Lol how we are talking about the same engine 15+ years later

[JDMDreams]

Well I mean Toyota never went beyond this, same with Honda 3.5ish V6 about 270hp. It's not that fast but it has enough pep. I'm surprised it gets this mpg cuz it's hauling so much weight + awd. On my 3uz rwd I was getting avg of 14+l/100km and that's only 300hp/320tq. But the difference between them isn't that noticable on regular driving. And I guess 6 speed vs 5 speed does help.

Even with the newer Toyotas 4 bangers have always been like appliances + hybrid is just for mpg and not power.

[bcrdukes]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

Pretty sure it’s broken dude. She’s getting 13/100 on her non hybrid v6.

With the hybrid you should be in the 7-8/100km. It could be the battery pack on that hybrid is dying. How many KMs on that highlander ? What year ? Because even my dads 400h is getting 9-10/100

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