That’s a very typical rich guy thing to say.

Ohhh ho hum, such peasantry automobile…. Artico leather is so plebeian. only 99,999.99! Yawn…. Plz notify my accountant and chauffeur when it breaks the $300,000 mark. Ta ta peons !!! Excuse me while I run you over in my Range Rover on my way to the apothecary

Tis well …. Tis well !

(You’re still a hero even if you’re a rich son of a bitch)

Damn life must be tough

Apothecary...sounds like something you'd find in North Vancouver. Oh wait, yray lives in North Van. :suspicious:

Imagine how little soul you have in life to not only be upset at the quality of leather in your brand new vehicle, but then take the time to post about it on a forum. Such are the people we are surrounded by in 2025, and why everything is in such a decline.

Ah, North Van, the Waluigi of neighbourhoods.

yray got lots of soul, he owns a British Land Rover... like the classic before Ford ones that you never know if it's going to start every day.

He just hating on the ride he probably had to buy for his wife lol

Well, in that case, I'm a huge asshole!

I've been watching the stock of cars that go into junkyards across Canada and the USA, and the number of Land Rovers from the 2010's that are scrapped is fucking insane.

Sure, a lot of crashed new cars end up in the junkyards, but you can find many cars in nice shape that are scrapped because new vehicles... are designed to be unfixable. Or at least not worth the cost.

There was just a Land Rover, a silver one, at the Kelowna Pick And Pull that was in mint shape, a 2014 model I think... If I had the money I would've swapped a 5.0 into it.

Why would the quality of leather not matter? If they chose the wrong type of leather that doesn't wear well then it's a problem. You pay a certain price and you expect a certain level of quality.

You pay the price and expect a steak, but they gave you a frozen burger pattie instead. It's still beef they say.

The same thing applies up and down the price ranges and across most spectrums.

Ya!! yray, you're everything that's wrong with anything :(. You're to blame, and you deserve to suffer in Artico leather.

we could've bought another mild hybrid xc90 with full nappa leather for 70k but without the 0% it would've been the same monthly payment as the merc...but 10+ years of volvo is too much for the wife lol

To be honest, artico is not bad for durability. Just crazy that a vehicle at 120k msrp has plastic leather.

Can't believe the spin that artico/sensatec/vegan leather are more environmentally friendly than cow leather that the automakers push out. An MB GLS or BMW X7 you have to pay more for real leather even though the MSRP is $100K+. Hate the trend of automakers copying Porsche and nickel & diming you for every option.

Nothing beats the feel and smell of relatively uncoated leather.
Most car leathers are terrible—over-coated for durability and stain resistence, like BMW Dakota and Vernasca.
Even the Nappa in my E63 felt like MB-Tex at first.

Unless it’s MB Designo Nappa, Lexus Semi-Aniline, or Porsche Club Leather, it's just not worth the hassle.
MB-Tex is probably the best synthetic—lasts decades with decent feel, though it gets sweaty.

Sensatec and Tesla Vegan Leather? Absolutely terrible

You peasants sit on cow leather?

My car is White Rhino leather and my wheels are made with Ivory. The more suffering, the softer the leather.

No matter how nice it became, it’s all just vinyl at the end of the day.

The best seats I’ve experienced was the Lexus LS semi aniline seat and the full aniline seat in the range rover autobiography.

My steering wheel? Genuine T-Rex foreskin, stretched for optimal grip.

And the seats? Bare buttcheeks only — hobz buffs the leather his own tears before every drive.

Thing is MB-Tex has been good for decades, even if u look at SoCal cars from the 80s the seats look almost pristine. No cracking.

Lies. Hobz never cries.

I would rather have premium cloth over leather. I love the cloth seats in the 1958 edition Land Cruiser. Even my Raptor has a mix of leather and cloth and its very comfy.

Fucking hate leather in the summer, I'll take cloth any day, unfortunately on most higher trim levels you really don't get that option.

Black leather in a convertible in the summer = get burned when you sit down!

Leather is much easier to clean though. My farts bounce right off it.

Make sure to turn off the vented seats temporarily though, otherwise the fart gets blown back up your ass.

This just seems gross and excessive. Like a car version of Trump.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...lade-iq-drive/

I both agree and disagree; depends on ur hands on EV exp

I agree because using a GIANT battery is a 2025 style fix; once better chemistry and costs come down, they can do this with lighter car and smaller battery

I disagree because GM's actually figured out what consumers would eventually find:

1) Large SUVs/trucks are the real cost/emissions/efficiency win.

2) Efficient EVs like Lucid lose hella range in real world wind/cold/hills. The fix is to just put a giant battery in it.

3) Recharge speed and time is king, especially in real world weather. Giant battery enables this.

4) Luxury buyers and fleet cars are aren't as range sensitive

5) GM chassis tech makes a huge diff: their mag ride and steering tune makes the gas Escalade drive smaller than an X5 40i around town (I rented them back to back from Sixt)

BYD Blade LFP battery was pretty ass but they're really working their fast charging weakness. 1000kW pretty OP, probably means it averages 300kw, exceeding the current fast charging winner (Porsche).

Now we will have to see if they can make it charge in the cold.