Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[trollface]

In 2009, a European Commission initiative resulted in the specification of a common external power supply (common EPS) for use with data-enabled mobile phones sold in the European Union. The external power supply is the AC electric power adapter that converts household AC electricity voltages to the much lower DC voltages needed to charge a mobile phone's internal battery. Although compliance is voluntary, a majority of the world's largest mobile phone manufacturers agreed to make their applicable mobile phones compatible with Europe's common external power supply specification (EN 62684:2010).

Were we not pretty much out of the wacky connector era by then anyway? Seems like most phones around 08/09 were already using the micro USB standard.

I mean look at what actually happened, there was no actual law, no regulation, it was a suggestion and we moved that way as a whole organically. No company in a capitalist society with shareholders does anything voluntarily unless it was profitable.

No was one going to hit them with a stick if they didn't comply and the EU certainly didn't force or mandate anyone into complying.

Samsung blasted out the S5 in 2014 with the craziest connector with them all.

Everyone just kind of agreed on what worked best and that's what I'm saying. I think we'll get there as a whole once we get a few more years under our belts and we figure out which method works best.

[carsncars]

Any thoughts on the Hyundai Tucson PHEV? My dad is seriously looking at one given the RAV4 Prime's waitlist is now 2-3 years. The price seems pretty competitive and he liked it on the test drives. Hyundai quotes a 4-6 month wait.

He's also on the list for an ID.4 for end 2021 (more likely early 2023), but still has some hesitancy about pure electric vehicles.

Not a lot of other options that are CUV-shaped and that get him the HOV sticker, and his A4 is nearing 300K km's...

[SumAznGuy]

Originally Posted by carsncars

Any thoughts on the Hyundai Tucson PHEV? My dad is seriously looking at one given the RAV4 Prime's waitlist is now 2-3 years. The price seems pretty competitive and he liked it on the test drives. Hyundai quotes a 4-6 month wait.

He's also on the list for an ID.4 for end 2021 (more likely early 2023), but still has some hesitancy about pure electric vehicles.

Not a lot of other options that are CUV-shaped and that get him the HOV sticker, and his A4 is nearing 300K km's...

What hesitancy does he have on a full EV?
How many KM's per day does he normally drive?

The Kona and Niro are both full EV and get 400 km's of range since they have the 62 kwh battery packs.
Both are CUV shaped.

Or get an Tesla Model Y. Its just a little bigger than an average CUV but not full SUV big in size.

[JDMDreams]

mx-30?

[Spectre_Cdn]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

mx-30?

I love everything about it except it’s range. Surprised it’s actually available here since it seems like a compliance vehicle. Wait for the one with a Wankel range extender?

[Traum]

The MX-30 is a non-starter not only because of its limited range. That vehicle is coming to N.America in such low quantities that I'm not sure if anyone can get their hands on it unless they already have a pre-order. I remember reading that only 500+ vehicles are slated for delivery to N.America.

[jaaagman]

Originally Posted by Traum

The MX-30 is a non-starter not only because of its limited range. That vehicle is coming to N.America in such low quantities that I'm not sure if anyone can get their hands on it unless they already have a pre-order. I remember reading that only 500+ vehicles are slated for delivery to N.America.

Not sure if its still in stock, but I saw about 2-3 a few weeks ago: https://www.langleymazda.com/vehicle...sc=new&md=MX30

I think it really depends on your commute. If you are just putting around town, 160 kms is not that bad. A smaller battery will mean shorter charging times, less weight, and lower replacement costs. You'd probably have to buy into this knowing you will either have to plan out your long trips or not do them at all with this car.

[JDMDreams]

^^ this, it really depends what your needs are. If they are old people that don't need to drive around much.

One thing that I've learned to like about ev is you have a full tank every morning or at least you have more than the previous day if you have a charger at home. It's like charging your phone. You no longer have to worry about what the gas price is or wait in line to gas up. Plugging in every night at home is so much easier than going out at night to get gas is the pissing rain cuz it's a few cents cheaper. The time savings is great, especially for old people as they can skip the dirty pumps.

[!Aznboi128]

The MX-30 works well for some, I had it for a week and it felt good. Tighter cabin for families.

I have the press event details and essentially they said that theyknow they don't have range to compete it's designed for those who have a 2nd vehicle. 1 gas and the other this. The MX-30 is designed to be a commuter rather than the long distance tourer.

[carsncars]

They (my parents) have decided the Kona and Niro are too small (the A4 Avant has always been "too small" after their previous car).

Honestly, he drives maybe 40-50 km on a regular day so an EV would be perfect for him. But they take a few driving trips a year, e.g. California, Edmonton, Kelowna, and I think that's where the range hesitancy comes from. That's despite me arguing that they have my mom's Elantra for those trips - they like the higher CUV driving position for longer drives. I think the thinking is that the PHEV becomes my mom's car in a few years, my dad gets a pure EV, and they still have the PHEV for longer trips.

Model Y: he actually ordered a Model 3 last fall but rejected it on delivery due to various quality issues, and I'm not sure he's ready to give Tesla another go yet. Plus he hated the touchscreen stuff.

I was thinking of getting him to test drive the XC60 Recharge over the weekend.

[jaaagman]

Originally Posted by carsncars

They (my parents) have decided the Kona and Niro are too small (the A4 Avant has always been "too small" after their previous car).

Honestly, he drives maybe 40-50 km on a regular day so an EV would be perfect for him. But they take a few driving trips a year, e.g. California, Edmonton, Kelowna, and I think that's where the range hesitancy comes from. That's despite me arguing that they have my mom's Elantra for those trips - they like the higher CUV driving position for longer drives. I think the thinking is that the PHEV becomes my mom's car in a few years, my dad gets a pure EV, and they still have the PHEV for longer trips.

Model Y: he actually ordered a Model 3 last fall but rejected it on delivery due to various quality issues, and I'm not sure he's ready to give Tesla another go yet. Plus he hated the touchscreen stuff.

I was thinking of getting him to test drive the XC60 Recharge over the weekend.

How about a Polestar 2? It will have a 400+ km range and a high driving position.

[Spectre_Cdn]

Originally Posted by !Aznboi128

The MX-30 works well for some, I had it for a week and it felt good. Tighter cabin for families.

I have the press event details and essentially they said that theyknow they don't have range to compete it's designed for those who have a 2nd vehicle. 1 gas and the other this. The MX-30 is designed to be a commuter rather than the long distance tourer.

I don’t know if the program is only for the United States, but I heard MX-30 owners have access to loaner vehicles from Mazda several times per year. They can drop off the MX-30 at a dealership and borrow a larger vehicle such as the CX-9 for extended trips.

[CorneringArtist]

Originally Posted by Spectre_Cdn

I love everything about it except it’s range. Surprised it’s actually available here since it seems like a compliance vehicle. Wait for the one with a Wankel range extender?

Inb4 someone bridgeports the range extender

[JDMDreams]

What about a Gv60 or a Mach e I'm starting to like the exterior of the mach e. Just not a huge fan of the interior

[!Aznboi128]

Originally Posted by Spectre_Cdn

I don’t know if the program is only for the United States, but I heard MX-30 owners have access to loaner vehicles from Mazda several times per year. They can drop off the MX-30 at a dealership and borrow a larger vehicle such as the CX-9 for extended trips.

Sadly US only, 10 times in 3 years.

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

What about a Gv60 or a Mach e I'm starting to like the exterior of the mach e. Just not a huge fan of the interior

GV60 looks like a stuffed balloon.

[M Speed]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

Trollface isn't wrong.
At one point in time there was the great VHS vs Beta debate.
Beta was superior but VHS won.
Recently, there was Blu ray vs HD DVD's and Blue ray won out.

Chademo cars will eventually need an adaptor to charge at a Tesla supercharger just like Tesla's needing an adaptor to charge at DC fast chargers or on a level 2 charger with a J plug.

It isn't a right or wrong. Govt interventions will definitely speed things up. Tesla are CCS around the world except NA...that speaks volume govt regulation is needed.

[dark0821]

Originally Posted by SumAznGuy

What hesitancy does he have on a full EV?
How many KM's per day does he normally drive?

Not sure about others, but when my parents picked up their new RAV4 Hybrid earlier this year...

one huge factor for my parents are the language barrier + not great with smart phones.

It might be just a 30 sec search thru an app for us to find charging stations. Or thru the infotainment system of the vehicle. But both of my parents only knows how to use WeChat... and that's basically the only app they use, maybe some Chinese news apps here and there.

There is also no draw in the "technology" part of the equation, like auto parking, "SUMMON" feature, auto pilot meants nth to my parents. Whereas these will be huge points to my wife.

Convenience - being able to not think about and put in gas when the tank runs empty brings a piece of mind / secruity to my parent's psych that's cant be overstated. Because it will be the only vehicle in the family for them.

Lastly was the reliability or at least the lack of history of EVs on long term performance. Unlike me who switches out vehicels maybe every 5 years or so, they keep their vehicle for the long haul. They traded in their previous Nissan Rogue at 265,000KM, and the only reason that prompt the switch to the Rav4 was the CVT was starting to exhibit symptoms. So rather wait for in imminient CEL or major repairs, parents traded it in like the moment they think the vehicle was going to give them trouble.

[dark0821]

Originally Posted by roastpuff

Anyone going to the Porsche Taycan driving experience event on Nov 5/6? I don't have the money for one but I still want to try driving one. Will be there Sat Nov 6 at 11AM.

I was there at Porsche Vancouver earlier yesterday. I have to say it is so far beyond my means that it is not even remotely funny. Kind of disheartnening...

Vehicle itself was great, it was just the base 4S with chrono pkg. We took the 5min test drive and when the sales was pointing me back to the dealership, I asked him if I could take it for another round. He then just said, I will take you on the extended route. The test drive ended up lasting 25min. I took a photo when I first got in, so had a timestamp of when I started lol.

Sales was boasting how the Tycan had sufficient cooling that you can launch the cars multiple times. We ended up doing it a few times, and even just the 4S felt other worldly fast.

He told me that the avg Taycan that goes out the door is abt 150k + taxes. I told him, at 150k I would get a 911 GTS. He said GTS pushes 200k... He said 150k will get me a "rather use-able" 911 carrera S.

150k pre-taxed Porsche gets you.. $0 down, $3300/mth + tax (so about $3700) a month on a 36 month lease. Factor in insurnace + gas (if its not the Tycan) and you will be looking at an easy $5k on a car every month.

I know Revscene is full of ballers. But I am no where near being able to afford 5K a month on a car. Not even remotely close, my only chance would be to start some investments now and hopefully by the time I retire, the investment is enough to just out right buy out a car of that caliper.

Really brings things to perspective, looking at my expenses and mortgage. I told my wife that Porsche ownership is probably out of the question for the next decade, if not 2 decades loool

**Edit: great motivator for sure, to really make you think, you only live once, you really should try your hardest to not have any regrets...

///end rant

[Koflach]

Originally Posted by carsncars

Any thoughts on the Hyundai Tucson PHEV? My dad is seriously looking at one given the RAV4 Prime's waitlist is now 2-3 years. The price seems pretty competitive and he liked it on the test drives. Hyundai quotes a 4-6 month wait.

He's also on the list for an ID.4 for end 2021 (more likely early 2023), but still has some hesitancy about pure electric vehicles.

Not a lot of other options that are CUV-shaped and that get him the HOV sticker, and his A4 is nearing 300K km's...

Personally, i'm not a fan of the PHEV. You get all the bad parts of an ICE vehicle (gas, maintenance, slow...) and all the expensive negatives of an EV (more expensive, low range in electric mode...). If they're considering a PHEV, i'd just go all in on an EV and don't look back. I've been driving mine for over 3 years and it's a great experience.

[JDMDreams]

^^ this, guys on here previously said basically you still need to do oil changes every 5000km even though half of the Kms might be on electric. You basically have twice the maintenance ice and electric

[GLOW]

i asked the question on here with owners, ppl said the hybrid portion you just have to worry about the hybrid battery when it goes, but the rest is not a whole lot diff than an ICE car.

what else would there be for that second system?

[EvoFire]

Went to test drive the Polestar 2 yesterday. Wife asked me why we were test driving a pornstar the first time I brought it up........

Anyways...
The PS2 they had for test drive has the performance package, which is what I would have spec'ed mine with. I thought the car was a little small and seeing it in person, it is.
I liked the materials that were chosen for the car and overall I like the comfort of it.

Only thing that really stood out as odd was how boomy is cabin was on road impacts. Everything is fine except everytime it hits a joint or edge it has a very bassy boom. The test driver was great in explaining the car, but the girl manning the booth wasn't.

[Traum]

As far as Porsche ownership is concerned, for someone who is solidly in the middle class, I would say it is definitely an entirely achievable goal. You just have to adjust that goal accordingly, based on your needs / wants / financial situation, etc. There are 986 Boxsters that can be had for $10k - $15k:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...2776269264534/

and at the other end of the spectrum, there is the latest greatest 992 GT3 going for god knows how much -- $500k+ at least?

If you are interested in a 911, something like this just showed up in my FB marketplace feed this morning:

Porsche 996
$36.5k
118k km

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...47234540632818



The current owner is a PCA CWR member, and to a certain extent, that always gives me a little extra peace of mind. There are issues with the 996 -- you need to know about them to weight the risks.

And then there are other means of "ownership". With the $150k+ Porsches -- or any car in that range, really -- I'd think a lot of owners are leasing it under their business, and writing it off -- at least partly -- as a business expense.

If you have a Porsche itch to scratch, go for it.

I totally wouldn't have said any of the above a few years ago. But having seen a few friends / people I know just passing away in the last several years -- and then COVID hits -- all of that gave me a different perspective on certain things in life.

Originally Posted by dark0821

I know Revscene is full of ballers. But I am no where near being able to afford 5K a month on a car. Not even remotely close, my only chance would be to start some investments now and hopefully by the time I retire, the investment is enough to just out right buy out a car of that caliper.

Really brings things to perspective, looking at my expenses and mortgage. I told my wife that Porsche ownership is probably out of the question for the next decade, if not 2 decades loool

[dark0821]

Originally Posted by Traum

As far as Porsche ownership is concerned, for someone who is solidly in the middle class, I would say it is definitely an entirely achievable goal. You just have to adjust that goal accordingly, based on your needs / wants / financial situation, etc. There are 986 Boxsters that can be had for $10k - $15k:

and at the other end of the spectrum, there is the latest greatest 992 GT3 going for god knows how much -- $500k+ at least?

If you are interested in a 911, something like this just showed up in my FB marketplace feed this morning:

Porsche 996
$36.5k
118k km

The current owner is a PCA CWR member, and to a certain extent, that always gives me a little extra peace of mind. There are issues with the 996 -- you need to know about them to weight the risks.

And then there are other means of "ownership". With the $150k+ Porsches -- or any car in that range, really -- I'd think a lot of owners are leasing it under their business, and writing it off -- at least partly -- as a business expense.

If you have a Porsche itch to scratch, go for it.

I totally wouldn't have said any of the above a few years ago. But having seen a few friends / people I know just passing away in the last several years -- and then COVID hits -- all of that gave me a different perspective on certain things in life.

100% agree for sure...

As a goal of a P car, I just told myself go big or go home. A 10/15 yr old cayman/boxster is always within my grasp (not comfortably, but easy enough that it wouldnt really affect my daily life).

lol, the only Cayman I want is the Cayman R.. in manual, or the GT4. But at the prices they commend... I might as well go for a 911 hahaha.

However... if I was to splurge, it would need to be a manual 911 at the right spec.

If it wasn't the Covid tax on used cars, I would defn be looking at a 996. I might be in the minority, but I dont think the 996 looks bad at all hahaha. Its like the R33 Skyline against its siblings...

Ultimate dream is still a 997.2 GT3 (as it eliminated the IMS bearing completely), forum owners all says it is a big step up from 997.1. Only gripe is the center locking wheels (I heard its a PITA, and the torque wrench is so expensive that the local owners shares one wrench within a group of them lol)

Hehehe, not in a super rush, if something comes along at the right time with the right spec, and if I can swing it with wifey + 2 kids. My parents are going to kill me regardless lolol, but given that they almost never visit me at my house (I always go to them), I might be able to tuck it away in the garage =D

[Traum]

Be sure to get yourself a nice meaningful drive in both a Cayman and a 911 before coming down to a conclusive decision on which one you prefer. Both are fantastic cars, although the early Caymans could certainly use a little more power. Still, I had the Porsche bug planted deep in me when I had an opportunity to drive a 987.1 Cayman S at the track. It could easily use (and handle) an extra 50hp, but the handling is so sublime and intuitive that I was instantly sold. And at the time, I was already driving a nicely modified Miata, so I was no stranger to how good handling cars behave.

The 911 drives quite differently than the Cayman, esp the 996 and 997. You really feel that weight out in the back, and it is a different experience. Technically, the MR layout is supposed to be "better", but subjectively, it really just comes down to what you like better.

I would never recommend anyone to go beyond their means just to purchase a car -- it is one of the least financially responsible thing anyone can do. But have you looked into how viable it is to finance your Porsche through HELOC? With interest rates the way they are sitting right now, borrowing costs are really quite minimal. So if you are comfortable with your family's finances and job security, it could be your ticket to bring that Porsche home. I actually know more than 1 person who are doing exactly just that -- take out a HELOC, and used the money to fund a Porsche purchase.

I used to think it was important to pay down the mortgage -- that is to say, pay it off way before the full 30 year duration it was supposed to last. And my wife and I have made some lump sum payments into it in the past when we had some wiggle room. But nowadays, I have absolutely no desire to pay a cent more than what my bi-weekly payment requires because I fully intend to blow that money on a Porsche instead. I'm on "the wrong side" of 40, and delayed gratification doesn't make nearly as much sense as it did in my 20's and 30's anymore.

I hope I'll see you in your Cayman R / 996 / 997 / 997.2 GT3 some time.

Originally Posted by dark0821

lol, the only Cayman I want is the Cayman R.. in manual, or the GT4. But at the prices they commend... I might as well go for a 911 hahaha.

However... if I was to splurge, it would need to be a manual 911 at the right spec.

If it wasn't the Covid tax on used cars, I would defn be looking at a 996. I might be in the minority, but I dont think the 996 looks bad at all hahaha. Its like the R33 Skyline against its siblings...

Ultimate dream is still a 997.2 GT3 (as it eliminated the IMS bearing completely), forum owners all says it is a big step up from 997.1. Only gripe is the center locking wheels (I heard its a PITA, and the torque wrench is so expensive that the local owners shares one wrench within a group of them lol)

Hehehe, not in a super rush, if something comes along at the right time with the right spec, and if I can swing it with wifey + 2 kids. My parents are going to kill me regardless lolol, but given that they almost never visit me at my house (I always go to them), I might be able to tuck it away in the garage =D