Yup. From an aerodynamic stand point, to the extra weight to get going and maintaining speed.

Look at a gas powered trucks. Fuel economy drops when you are pulling a load.

How much does range drop on an ICE truck when towing?

Proportionally, not nearly as much as an EV. Gas has much greater energy density per pound than batteries, so even though ICE's are like 30% efficient, they can carry 200 times more energy with them.

I've posted this video, in this thread to this very point:


These guys pull 2000lbs with their Model X P100 (Rated for 5000lbs) and have to give up because it would have added an extra day (7+hours of charging) to their trip versus a gas truck:

Two colleagues I work with have model X’s and they say towing almost anything cuts the range in half. I think older X’s though if that makes a difference.

Been seeing some of those ioniqs around, rear end looks kinda cool, the front doesn’t look nearly as nice as the press shots etc.

probably tundra hybrid as stopgap

i was surprised the spanking new LX only gained 4 extra mpg after like 15 years of advancements...with turbos it's gonna be even worse in real world?

Thanks all. Definitely loving the Rivian. Videos of its capability are just nuts. Quietly dominating trails with ground clearance for days. Just crazy. But we're highway road tripping and not doing Moab so not sure if those off road features really matter all that much. Hummer also looks interesting and super fast. Silverado and Lightning are contenders too despite my distaste for all things Ford, GMC, FCA. I believe all of these to be in the $120k range pre-tax give or take depending on options. That's what I would expect to pay for a full size EV seating 7 or offering half ton pick up truck skills. Maybe $150K tops. I'd like to catch a sale and get a replacement sorted before this crazy hot market comes tumbling down. I'd no doubt make money selling either the LX or Tundra but not sure if there is a full-on replacement for either right now. I might be spectating for a bit.

I almost want to pick up a >$50K EV of any kind and just live in that world for a few months and see how I like it. Then decide which of our gas guzzlers to replace once we decide we like the whole EV lifestyle. But then that's a waste of capital when the idea is to save money in the end. Or maybe I make an EV the "fun car" too. I know I shit on Tesla but I've seen some pretty trick looking Model 3's. Low, kitted, etc. I kinda wanted a $50k hot hatch or an ND2 for a while but then that just fizzled out. Is there anything fun in the EV world in that price range?

But then it's just a hybrid and not a full HOV lane no gasoline bill EV. I do dig the new Tundra and would definitely consider it as a replacement but that's still a few years out. 2024 before I'd buy one probably.

I love the new LX but yea, no Hybrid MAX like the Tundra giving it that mega torque and with gas prices going bananas it's all about moving to full EV for at least one vehicle anyway. Silverado/Rivian truck/Lighting and a new LX? Or an Audi E-tron/Rivian SUV and a new Tundra?

I've been eyeing the ioniq5, gonna go test drive this weekend. Definitely the best bang for its buck EV car out there rn... Anyone in this thread have one?

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As a person who have switched to EV fully and advocates them heavily, I'd stick it to a commuting vehicle for now.

Especially if you are looking at towing anything or going outside of the city, you'd want a very comprehensive charging network that you can rely on. And really... outside of Tesla, the experience is not great. So, if you are not planning to get a Tesla for your first EV, I'd suggest using whatever EV you end up getting almost strictly as a commuting vehicle inside the city. You are not going to like what EV has to offer if you are planning to use it for anything else than that without being a Tesla. I've met many people who went EV without going to Tesla, and they either stick with city/short-trip only, or eventually got a Tesla just so that they can do roadtrips.

Getting the top range Ultimate model near the end of Feb.

I was looking at the options list, basically you don't want the base model as the Essential trim doesn't have a heat pump and in Vancouver that's kinda needed. $47k for a Preferred isn't bad it gives you all the things you would want.

Thing is if you're talking about bargain, you can't forget about the ID4. That starts at $45k, it has more power than the Ioniq and has heat pump with the base model. If you want AWD that's $50k comparing to Ioniq's $55k. That said, the Ioniq AWD does have more power, range is similar at about 400km

So dumb question here but how does one who own say, an eGolf or an Ioniq plan a trip to say Banff? You plan your stops/breaks at cities with paid charging stations? If so, I don't think you can make it in one day. Drive is like 10-12 hours with an ICE.

Charge at superchargers/ DC fast charge to reduce charging times. It's going to be longer than ICE for sure.

This is a pretty good video of what to expect on road trips

We love doing road trips hence why I'm still leaning towards hybrids. But my question can plug in hybrids still function if one can't access a charging station? I assume it'll just stay on gas mode the whole time?

Correct, PHEV acts as hybrid vehicles once the charge for full EV mode runs out.

Generally speaking, if you don't ever plug it in it's also fine. It just runs as a hybrid but less efficient overall.

The ICE should still charge the battery while it's running. The plug in capability just means that you can top up the battery from mains power.

In most cases the engine will not charge the PHEV battery to full during normal operation. Some cars have a button where you can charge that PHEV battery but it's not efficient, better off plugging it into the wall when you can.

That's some solid advice. Thank you. And sort of the conclusion I've come to, hence looking to add to the fleet to see it it makes sense first rather than swapping immediately. If EV is not for me then just sell the EV and wait for the infrastructure to improve or my intended use to change. It's really the in-town stuff that has an ICE looking terrible from a mpg standpoint but we also need the truck bed and sometimes more than 5 seats in those in-town settings. Decisions, decisions.

I don't know the exact details of their trip, but my friends took their Ioniq to Calgary and back no problem.

We just don't have EV that's a do-it-all option. It's always about compromises. Yes, you have SUV/Crossovers/Sedans and whatever, but they just haven't gotten everything out yet, in your case, something to tow/do roadtrips. Maybe by the time Cybertruck actually hit the market, we'd have something decent as it's spec'd to make 500 miles (the top trim at least). And even cutting that by half when towing is included, 250miles on a charge is more than decent as the distance between one supercharger to another is usually far less than that. With EVs, you are not always charging to full at every charge stop, but just enough to make it to the next one. And you want it that way because low SOC (state of charge) means faster charging.

With that in mind though, if one's looking for a vehicle to drive in the city, there's very little reason to not go EV, even if you don't drive all that much. The low cost of operation is night and day difference when comparing vehicles in the same price range.

My friend had a BMW 320, and drives about 12000km a year. He switched to a Model 3 RWD/SR+ and couldn't be happier. As he drives relatively little. He just relies on the 110v plug he's got on the wall and it works fine for him. The only regret he had was not buying it earlier. No oil leak/burn/gas price/service to worry about and the few road trips that he did (up to Whistler/Kelowna and down to LA), the supercharger network served him fine. He calls it the ultimate city vehicle, which is hard to argue.

Many people hesitate to go EV because of fear of range anxiety, and I'd say that's the case with non-Tesla EVs. But Tesla got it quite figured out unless you are going to the middle of nowhere. Anything that's along major hwys, and inside large metros, Tesla's charging network got it covered. People in even Model 3 SR+, which is the lowest range Tesla out there, have done cross Canada/US trips without a hitch.

When I went full EV, the idea was simple. 99.5% of my trips can be covered with EV. And if it ever comes to that 0.5% of chances, I'd just rent. The difference in operating cost can allow me to rent specific vehicles that I need many times in the year. And for the 2+yrs of full EV, I've only needed to rent a truck once because I needed to haul a lot of stuff up to Revelstoke. And as I said, once the Cybertruck gets here, it'd probably cover the full 100% of my needs ever imaginable with a car.

^^^Outstanding. Thank you again.

Agreed 100% as the ultimate city vehicle. I like the idea of having a small boot-around-town car and also having a large SUV and truck on-hand. If anything, it keeps the mileage and chance of a collision low on the ICE vehicles prepping them for eventual sale if we can swing life without one of them. We do have a large dog that only does well in a vehicle in a crate so the SUV is pretty crucial for hauling him around though.

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Just picked this up two days ago. This is the mid level trim, Preferred RWD Long Range which is rated for 488km range.

There are some rumors out there that Hyundai Canada is no longer taking reservations for 2022 models and all orders here on out are going to be 2023. But you can try calling local dealerships to see if they have any unallocated units.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5/comm...out_in_canada/

You've nailed it. That also echo along to get a less range EV that is not a Tesla. The price difference is $7K-20K comparing a 200km range EV to a 400km+ EV. It falls back to your theory of fitting 90+% of your daily need.

a Model 3 SR+ ($59.9k) vs Leaf 40kwh ($38K) vs Niro ($45K)

Maybe a solid choice would be the next Sequoia.

Standard hybrid motor, 9000lb towing, 3 rows of seats. Sure you won't get the HOV access with this but it should save you a few bucks at the pumps.

Standing Tall: All-New 2023 Sequoia Full-Size SUV is Ready to Make its Mark | Toyota Canada

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So how much was that Ioniq Mace?

swear they look fantastic in pictures but kinda less so on the road lol