Electric and Hybrid Car Thread

[68style]

Sweet old man spec... saddle brown interior

Get you a top hat and a monocle graduating from that positively rowdy (in comparison) A-Spec

[JDMDreams]

Where are you gonna drive to with 32 km of EV range? Will you even make it to the border with Jerry cans

[whitev70r]

^ yah, that's what I was interested in for a PHEV ... what is the max range on e power alone ... most Audi's are like 30 kms. That's what it was for the Audi A3 etron.

[JDMDreams]

Those ev numbers are best case scenarios too, I guess regular driving not too many hills, no AC no heat, definitely no heavier plasti dipped wheels and Jerry cans in the back

I'm guessing good real world range will be 80% of what they quote and more like 65% if you turn on heat or AC.

I know someone with an Outlander phev and he never charges it as he has no plug at home. And just occasionally charge if he gets the chance.

I doubt you will save the cost of entry from Acura, better just keep hitting VTEC

[Koflach]

Originally Posted by Acura604

Audi PHEV option?
https://vancouver.craigslist.org/van...492699566.html

- 2.0L turbo plug-in hybrid 367-hp
- 7 speed automatic
- Quattro all wheel drive
- plug in hybrid electric range ~32km
- forward emergency braking
- blind spot monitor
- lane departure warning
- adaptive cruise control
- back up camera
- front and rear parking sensors
- GPS navigation
- Bluetooth hands free and audio
- Apple Carplay
- Android Auto
- heated/cooled front seats
- heated steering wheel
- 2nd row sunshades
- 3 zone auto climate control
- panorama sunroof
- power tailgate
- smart key access
- LED headlights
- 20 inch alloy wheels


I'm aware maintenance won't be as cheap as an ACURA - got offered 47k trade in for the RDX/30k KM. but... don't know how i feel being known as 'Audi604'.

I've never understood the point of a phev for most people who buy them. Unless you are driving a very limited amount per day, you will be using gas. Additionally, you get all the negatives of an ICE car (maintenance, gas...) and all the negatives of an EV (high cost). If you are in the market for a PHEV, i'd seriously look at a full EV instead as you will see more benefit from it in the long run over a PHEV.

[Simplex123]

^ those are my exact views on PHEVs.

[!Aznboi128]

PHEVs have a place but you're right it's worst of both worlds but it's great for the elderly.

My parents won't transition to full EV simply because "400km range what if I run out?" or "With 400km range I can't just drive to Seattle and back". And no, no additional education of ev chargers will help on top of that they're not big on apps that tell them where to go. They like to choose their own path.

Sure the range is limited, they're looking at the Tucson PHEV so about 50km of range. In the winter the engine does fire up to heat up the cabin so range is still about 50km. It's enough for them to travel from Van to Richmond and back or to Coquitlam. It's enough for their city travels and that's all that's important to them.

[EvoFire]

We were looking at a PHEV because the (50km) battery range is enough for our needs. To get a full EV at the size we are looking at (X5 PHEV) we were looking at a Model X or Rivian which are considerably more expensive. Even the closest Audi Etron is still a bit more.

We do a fair amount of road tripping, and while yes there are chargers available it's an extra thing to think about when you already have a 3 year old running around.

[Badhobz]

I cant wait till more automakers get in the EV game.

Friend of mine just paid 12k repair for his 2017 Telsa model X. His big ass tablet control unit failed last month.

Now, its back in the shop as the rear hatch is leaking so much that water is pooling in his trunk. I dont even want to know how much that'll cost him.

[Traum]

IMO that has a lot more to do with Tesla's inconsistent but usually crappy build quality than the car being an EV. It never fails to amaze me how people -- esp Tesla fanbois -- can put up with Tesla's shxtty build quality and poor servicing / parts support.

Originally Posted by Badhobz

I cant wait till more automakers get in the EV game.

Friend of mine just paid 12k repair for his 2017 Telsa model X. His big ass tablet control unit failed last month.

Now, its back in the shop as the rear hatch is leaking so much that water is pooling in his trunk. I dont even want to know how much that'll cost him.

[JDMDreams]

Shouldn't a 17 be still under warranty? cough BMW valve stem seals, cough Porsche scored cylinders, cough Subaru head gaskets.

[roastpuff]

Originally Posted by Koflach

I've never understood the point of a phev for most people who buy them. Unless you are driving a very limited amount per day, you will be using gas. Additionally, you get all the negatives of an ICE car (maintenance, gas...) and all the negatives of an EV (high cost). If you are in the market for a PHEV, i'd seriously look at a full EV instead as you will see more benefit from it in the long run over a PHEV.

Originally Posted by Simplex123

^ those are my exact views on PHEVs.

For me, a PHEV would've been good because we don't have a way to plug in at home (50-year old townhouse complex with not enough power capacity, or plugs outside for that matter) but I do have a Level 1 charger at work 2 days a week. So that way we don't have to go out of our way to keep the car topped up, and as mentioned above, would be good for a road trip vehicle. If that Q5e had been around when I bought my car it would have gotten a long hard look.

[68style]

Originally Posted by JDMDreams

Shouldn't a 17 be still under warranty? cough BMW valve stem seals, cough Porsche scored cylinders, cough Subaru head gaskets.

Doesn't everyone outside of Hyundai/Kia (and even they have changed now I think?) have 3yrs/100k bumper to bumper... 5 years is powertrain only.

[Hehe]

IMO, EVs are not perfect (yet).

Tesla offers the closest experience as it has a comprehensive charging network and its navigation can guide you accordingly so one never has to worry about range. Thus, say if one wants to do a road trip, you can still do it without having to plan that much.

They are, however, THE perfect commute vehicles. Even in the worst weather, a RWD Model 3 should still get you 200km easy. The saving on total cost of operation is no joke. Think it this way... a 200km drive might cost you $70 today+ when you factor in the gas, average maintenance cost and whatever. It's $10 or less on an EV like Tesla. The difference is so vast... that even if you rent an ICE car every single time you need to do anything longer than 200km (and avoiding waiting for charging altogether), you are still likely to come out ahead.

As for people getting PHEV, I agree with what koflach said, you get the worst of both worlds and for very little benefit. I might see it feasible for people who do delivery in the city... but if you are focusing on long drive, PHEV are not exactly the most fuel efficient vehicle on hwy for long drive. For most cases, you will still be way better off to just drive EV daily, and rent when need to hit the hwy for road trips.

I think very often... people find comfort knowing something would cover 100% of the cases... thus sticking with ICE or PHEV makes sense because it's a habit one has developed from the day they started to drive. However, I made the switch to EV fully because once I got my Model 3, I realize that 99.98% of my drive can be covered by an EV. And if there is ever a need for that 0.02%, which I ran into... no biggie, just book a rental online and away I go. But that had happen twice or thrice in the 3, almost 4 yrs of being fully EV.

[XplicitLuder]

after moving out to langley and driving to Boundary road for work...(about 90km to and from work) this 4Runner is killing me

[tegra7]

Originally Posted by Hehe

IMO, EVs are not perfect (yet).

Tesla offers the closest experience as it has a comprehensive charging network and its navigation can guide you accordingly so one never has to worry about range. Thus, say if one wants to do a road trip, you can still do it without having to plan that much.

They are, however, THE perfect commute vehicles. Even in the worst weather, a RWD Model 3 should still get you 200km easy. The saving on total cost of operation is no joke. Think it this way... a 200km drive might cost you $70 today+ when you factor in the gas, average maintenance cost and whatever. It's $10 or less on an EV like Tesla. The difference is so vast... that even if you rent an ICE car every single time you need to do anything longer than 200km (and avoiding waiting for charging altogether), you are still likely to come out ahead.

A Model 3 SR+ should get you well over 300km with 80% charge even in our cold BC winters. Preheating the battery is key.

[pastarocket]

A neighbour shared a story with me recently about an EV purchase.

Neighbour is a contractor. -makes good money doing renovations for customers.

He said that he bought another Tesla. He bought Model 3 for his youngest son a few years ago.

Then he said that he bought a Model Y for his oldest son because his son's older model Nissan, a Pathfinder, is leaking motor oil.

He was able to sell his Pathfinder through a private sale.

The bad news is that because of the worldwide shortage of micro chips, that Model Y for his oldest son won't be able for delivery until next year. He and his oldest son need to wait one year for the Model Y.

Fortunately, the eldest son works at home now. -does not need to drive to work for the moment.

I hope that Model Y is worth the wait for them haha.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by tegra7

A Model 3 SR+ should get you well over 300km with 80% charge even in our cold BC winters. Preheating the battery is key.

I know. I’m just saying the absolute worst case scenario. 200km should be plenty for a person’s one day commute.

[TypeRNammer]

Originally Posted by tegra7

A Model 3 SR+ should get you well over 300km with 80% charge even in our cold BC winters. Preheating the battery is key.

Pre refresh Model 3 SR+ at very best during the winter is about 220km to 250km which includes preheating the batteries iny experience on the last few winters

[JDMDreams]

Feels good to spend like 1/10 of of the cost of gas to drive around. still wish gas was $1 doe so I can afford my summer toys. heard Europe's gonna go back to coal

[Badhobz]

I got a feeling that by the time there is mass adoption of EVs the government will find a way to make it as expensive as gasoline. These crooks are going to want their pound of flesh too.

What’s a EV supercharger fill up right now ? 10-15 bucks ? They’ll probably slap some bs tax on that and make it 30-40 bucks if they start losing too much revenues from gasoline sales.

[Hehe]

Originally Posted by Badhobz

I got a feeling that by the time there is mass adoption of EVs the government will find a way to make it as expensive as gasoline. These crooks are going to want their pound of flesh too.

What’s a EV supercharger fill up right now ? 10-15 bucks ? They’ll probably slap some bs tax on that and make it 30-40 bucks if they start losing too much revenues from gasoline sales.

Electricity rate is not something a gov't wants to tamper with. Regardless where you are, electricity is always a political issue.

Think gas price affects our life? An increase in electric price would be 10x of the effect on gas price.

This is why BC Hydro's rate, one of the conditions we agreed to provide BC Hydro a quasi-monopoly status is that any rate increases needs to be justified and approved by the government.

And for any politician who dare to touch this in any meaningful way, it's political suicide not just for that person, but the party as a whole. Look what happened to Ontario Liberal Party with Hydro One. They basically became a nothing party... not just becoming the opposition... they are more or less irrelevant.

I can see EV be required to pay some fees at registration/insurance to cover some revenues currently being added to gas at a certain point in time. But the difference between EV and ICE in operating costs is staggering. If example of some US states are any indication... say $100 or two. What's that in today's gas price? Half tank to a tank?

[Traum]

When EVs become mainstream, they are 100% going to start losing more and more of the perks they enjoy now. We all saw it with the disappearance of free public charging, and there will be others costs that gradually gets added to EV owners as the transition happens.

Saskatchewan is already charging EV owners -- pun intended -- an annual $150 fee to make up for the loss of gas tax revenues, and in time, other provinces will 100% follow suit with similar policies of their own. I don't see how the electricity itself will be more expensive than the prices we pay for gas, but the various levels of government will most definitely find ways to recoup the revenue they lost when people are charging their cars up instead of filling them up.

[68style]

Can't wait (sarcasm) to see all the punitive stuff that's going to happen to people who try to keep old ICE cars around lol... even as a hobby...

If you go on autotrader.co.uk and look up cars for sale in London proper, there's a lot of private sales for people who are selling solely because they can't afford the ULEZ charges for driving into London (can be as much as 12.50gbp per day) or their vehicle isn't compliant anymore... and that's with a "conservative" govt in place haha

[Alpine]

We also have to remember that the government is currently subsidizing EV purchases through rebates. Eventually, those rebates will get pulled back, and EVs will instantly become up to $8k more expensive. Superchargers have increased in cost and it's only a matter of time before the other chargers increase in cost as well.

Though, revscene balla's are well insulated from these rising costs.